Who is the most overrated player ever, Zidane or Ronaldhino?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by riflex, Dec 19, 2013.

  1. riflex

    riflex Member

    Nov 19, 2013
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    Who wins?'
     
  2. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    NONE ... as they are not.

    Beckham was the most overrated AM/Winger in last few decade.
    Messi and CR7 are also overrated by the weak era (as they were often comparable to Pele, Maradona , G Best Eusebio?)

    Oufff, let me take back, Bale just BROKE the "over rated" title of Messi/CR7 following his 96mils deal or ~100mil man :eek: :cry:

    Only if Pele is still around may be he should make ONE BILLION DOLLAR MAN in this WEAK ERA??? LOL
     
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  3. Socrates76

    Socrates76 New Member

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  4. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Second thought ... I would say Zidane was more ... "overhyped" than ronaldinho was rated ...
    for example, Zidane would be around 12-18 IMO, but often many put in him TOP10 ... while Ronaldinho could well be in 30-39 ... a bit too low comparable to Zidane
     
  5. leadleader

    leadleader Member+

    Aug 19, 2009
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    In any Zidane youtube video, you will find the following message,

    "Zidane > Xabi Alonso+Xavi Hernandez+Iniesta"

    I can assure everyone, that Zidane was (most certainly) not Xavi Hernandez + Andres Iniesta, in one player. In fact, Zidane was not better than Andres Iniesta, in my opinion. Maybe a better passer than Iniesta, perhaps, but certainly not a better dribbler than Iniesta, and certainly he never was more consistent than Iniesta. It's just amazing what a few good showings in important matches can do for your legacy.

    In conclusion, Zidane is not Hernandez+Iniesta in one player. He never was that good. Zidane might have been on the same level as Hernandez in terms of passing, and he was also similar to Iniesta in terms of dribbling runs, but Zidane also never was even remotely close to either Iniesta or Xavi in terms of shielding ability, Zidane arguably was not as consistent as Iniesta in terms of dribbling runs, and Zidane was also less consistent (overall) than either Iniesta or Xavi.

    How Zidane is popularly/widely placed higher (much higher in fact) than Michael Laudrup, Roberto Baggio, Ronaldinho, Andres Iniesta, Xavi Hernandez, or Roman Riquelme, I have absolutely no idea. Despite being an absolutely great player, Zidane is most definitely one of the most overrated football players I have seen. Quite a few players who are less-rated, were comfortably on the same level as Zidane. But alas, opinions and nostalgia.
     
  6. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
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    Lionel Messi.
    Being named GOAT....
     
  7. Once

    Once Member+

    Apr 16, 2011
    Pelé and Garrincha are the most overrated/overhyped players in history in my personal view.
     
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  8. joaommx

    joaommx Member+

    Sep 27, 2009
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    Ronaldo is better than Eusébio was.
     
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  9. gilmour86

    gilmour86 Member

    Oct 23, 2011
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    Zidane is overrated, like many players of the late 90s. At those years, when the publicity campaigns spoke louder than football itself, many crazy myths were created. Those who had crazy publicity became forever overrated (Ronaldo, Zidane, Maldini and Roberto Carlos), while those who did not became superstars back then are already forgotten (Thuram, Rivaldo,Bergkamp, Figo).
    I don´t think Ronaldinho is overrated. Its rarely to see someone putting him alongside the greatest legends of the game, unlike Ronaldo, Zidane and Maldini, who are regarded as the Pele, Maradona, Beckenbauer of a whole generation. I guess in 10 years Ronaldinho will have the same hype Rivaldo has now, almost none.
     
  10. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Not really, if we talk of "crazy publicity" in late 90's to early 2000's that must be Beckham ...

    Both Ronaldo and Zidane won 1 WC and lead their team to 1 WC final (out of 3 chances) and they were the best players in those two occasions ...
    Thuram was highly regarded by many pros ... a bit lower than Maldini and Carlos ... (who won UCL and performed great in WC)

    Rivaldo, Figo and Ronaldinho won ballon Dor and WPOY in their best years ... as well deserved too ... so not much complaint of their part and they were no Ronaldo Zidane ... in talent and especially in BIG games.
     
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  11. leadleader

    leadleader Member+

    Aug 19, 2009
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    In your effort to prove the thread creator wrong, you just proved him right. Ronaldo never "lead" Brazil to any WC. And no, Zidane never "lead" France to any WC. Ronaldo was not even the best player in his own team when Brazil won the WC in 2002, and Zidane was not even the best player in his own team when France won the WC in 1998. And most definitely: Ronaldo was not the best player of the 2002 World Cup, just like Zinedine Zidane was most certainly not the best player of the 1998 World Cup.

    To say that Zidane was the best player of the 1998 World Cup, is just inexplicable. And to say that Zidane was the best player of the 2006 World Cup, is just highly debatable.

    Also, Ronaldinho "in talent" was just as good as Zidane was, he was faster than Zidane, he scored more goals than Zidane, and he was a better dribbler than Zidane, oh and he won a Champions League in 2006 with a team that had not won a CL since 1993 (something Zidane never accomplished in his career). But of course you would think such a thing about Ronaldinho, since you have repeatedly described Ronaldinho as nothing more than a cheap imitator of your idol Ronaldo.

    Zidane was played as the undisputed number 10 for France ever since he first appeared on the scene, and Eric Cantona (who should have been Zidane's direct rival) was permanently dropped out of the team so that Zidane could start from a young age. Zidane had no competition in the French team, to such an extent that France without Zidane could not even get past the group stage at the 2002 World Cup, which highlights the fact that France did not have many world class creative players besides Zidane and Robert Pires. In contrast, Ronaldinho did not have that luck nor that luxury, Ronaldinho played alongside players such as Rivaldo and Ronaldo and Kaka (Zidane never shared the spot with any player who could be described as an "equal" to him), Ronaldinho had to fight for a spot, Ronaldinho was dropped out of the Brazil team as soon as he started loosing his pace, Ronaldinho had to compete for a place in the team, Brazil was not "custom-made" for Ronaldinho, etc, etc.

    James, you are the type of thinker who would argue that Zidane was better than Michael Laudrup, why? Well because Zidane won a WC and Laudrup never even reached a semi-final, which proves what exactly? Oh well.
     
  12. Dillon

    Dillon New Member

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  13. Hendrixforpope

    Hendrixforpope Member+

    Dec 15, 2007
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    Pele and Maradona.
     
  14. Dage

    Dage Member+

    Jun 4, 2008
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    Beckham, Bale, Neymar and Hart
     
  15. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

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    No way Pele is overrated!
     
  16. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
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    Some say Messi is already the best ever! ROTFLMAO!!
     
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  17. Bada Bing

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    #17 Bada Bing, Jan 5, 2014
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2014
    Pretty much every player who have ended his career is overrated, because of the nostalgic fact. Can't pinpoint players particurarly, but yeah, I could see case for Zidane as his career is mostly remembered from couple finals, yet he didn't have the same prowess or consistency in average games.

    From modern players C.Ronaldo is the obvious choice, and currently Suarez is unbelievably overrated.
     
  18. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    I don;t know where you got the idea that "nostalgia" is a fact?
    Nostalgia is just a term of "mind state" - NOTHING to do with FACTS = events, stats, something happened ...

    FACTS are:
    -Pele was the ONLY player who won 3 WC's
    - Maradona 86 was worldwidely accepted as the most impressive performance ever at WC history (up to now)
    - Cruijff had kept the most "created chances" per WC in history ...
    ...
    - Lastly Ronaldo with 15goals was the most scored in history

    FACTS = Neither Messi nor CR7 had come close to half of the above FACTS
     
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  19. Bada Bing

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    Facts? That's awfully thick coming from you.

    - Pele played in great teams, Brazil won WC62 even without him.
    - 7 games defining your prowess?
    - Holland didn't loose anything when they reached consecutive finals in World Cup with and without him

    Fact is, that these are nostalgic facts, spewed by the romantisizers.
     
  20. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    yes and they LOST SHAMEFULLY WC66 (group stage as the WORST EVER Brazil record) without him fit!
    1- With Pele Santos won 28titles /18years, and without him, they barely won 15titles/80years

    2- WC is the ultimate competition, and NO, Maradona played decent in WC90 as well (won Bronze ball WC90) as FACT. At Napoli, with him they won 2 serieA + 1UEFA cup/7years and Napoli won NOTHING without him

    3- Lastly, besides, Holland, Cruijff led Ajax to the record of 3 consecutive UCL over 12years with him, without him they managed 1 UCL/35years
     
  21. Bada Bing

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    1. Santos? Yeah, because it is different team you dunderhead. Or did the other players play these 80 years?
    2. Maradona WC90 legacy is even today awfully delusional. Napoli? It was Manchester City of the time, and it wasn't only because of Maradona. One of the great nostalgic "facts" of modern time.
    3. European Cup's, not CL's. And yes it's great, but again it's not the same team over 35 years. I'll bet you wouldn't accept the fact that without Messi Barcelona has a UCL in 50 years, and 3 UCL's in 9 with him?
     
  22. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    #22 JamesBH11, Jan 6, 2014
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2014
    For you dunderhead (!)
    1- yes after Pele, many many greats tried and Santos did pay a lot to buy good players without much success
    2- Napoli now is also trying with some good pplayers and see how they will do, oK?
    3- Yes it is ... it's SO NAIVE to say so ... why? well just like someone could argue Euro champs from 90's til now is different than the 80's? or like WC 30-50's were so different (in games law, format, rules, style ...) than from 90's onward?

    Lastly, Messi won 3 UCL? LOL 2006 he won it on BENCH, and thanks to Ronaldinho and Etoo (who were MVP and Best FW) OK? please ... not much different than Pele won Wc 62

    Nice EXCUSEs but NO VALID OK?

    For your INFO: the number of years 35 (Ajax won EC/UCL) 50 (Santos to win Libertadore ) or 20years passed at Napoli (zero titles) ... are ust EXAMPLE to see there is ONLY ONE PELE and ONLY ONE Maradona, CRuijff ...

    TIME and MONEY won't beable to make new ones OK?
     
  23. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Well Messi is easily breaking into my TOP10 best all time if he continues a few more years and even without WC ..
    However, It's so HYPE (if not saying OVER RATED) to claim he is the best or on par with Pele/Maradona/Cyuiff . .. he is NOT up there yet. Matter of fact I think he is still far from pele's ...
     
  24. RoyalWhites

    RoyalWhites Member

    Jan 16, 2014
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    Real Madrid
    sad thread.

    Think about it for just one second, OP is asking who is overrated? Zidane or Dinho...lol.

    They are not overrated but Zidane is better than Dinho due to longevity and accomplishing more.
     
  25. riflex

    riflex Member

    Nov 19, 2013
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    AC Milan
    I asked this question to see how many idiots would put a fight for denigrate other players in favor of their idols.

    Thank you for attention Leadleader and Bada Bing:D
     
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