Which is tougher to win for US Soccer: FIFA Women’s World Cup or CONCACAF Gold Cup?

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by firesting81, Jun 28, 2019.

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Which is more difficult for US Soccer to win?

  1. FIFA Women’s World Cup

    10 vote(s)
    41.7%
  2. CONCACAF Gold Cup

    14 vote(s)
    58.3%
  1. firesting81

    firesting81 Member+

    Jan 16, 2001
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Friend and I had a fascinating debate about this? SIAP, but it’s a interesting discussion to ponder. I think it’s a close call.
     
  2. Three and Three

    Three and Three Member+

    Sep 13, 2015
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    I want to see the Men do their thing. I'll leave it that.
     
  3. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    The Women's World Cup.

    A lot of poor squad selections and mismanagement over the years in the Gold Cup has been disguised by the fact that the U.S. has played 75 out of 76 matches at home. Even accounting for the unique "lack" of home field advantage that the US national team often has against certain opponents, it's still a gigantic advantage for the team.
     
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  4. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FWIW a $100 bet on both winning their tournaments would net you $150 for The men and $350 for the women
     
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  5. randomnoise

    randomnoise Member

    United States
    Mar 26, 2017
    Are we talking this year or in general?
     
  6. firesting81

    firesting81 Member+

    Jan 16, 2001
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    In general.
     
  7. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    That's funny. I was just thinking about the same comparison several days ago. I do feel like casual fans tend to overhype the accomplishments of the USWNT because they don't realize that there are maybe a dozen countries in the world that actually take the women's game seriously, and some of them (France, Holland, Italy, etc.) only started taking it seriously in the past 10 years or so. If you read about the conditions that the female players from Jamaica, Thailand, Argentina, Nigeria, etc. have to deal with, you'd see that it would really be a monumental moral victory for them to even have a close loss to the US.

    That said, I think there are still more quality women's programs at the women's WC than there are quality men's programs in CONCACAF, so I voted that the WWC is harder.
     
  8. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    there is one good team at the wwc the us is sleep walking to another win. its embarrassing that france was even a minor threat and they were barely that they had a really tall player so they scored.

    the women just have to show up

    where it will be interesting is in the upcoming years now that other countries are making atleast minimal effort if they can continue to win this easy.

    you can see how the youth teams are struggling already adjusting to actual competition.
     
  9. moleman

    moleman Member

    Jan 7, 2017
    The Gold Cup due to the fact that the US women have a huge head start over every other country when it comes to playing and promoting the women’s game. For instance, Real Madrid is only now starting a women’s team. I expect it will be much harder for the US women to waltz through the tournament in 10 years time.
     
  10. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe the WWC will eventually be more competitive, but at this point, I’d say it’s a tie.

    France, Germany, England, Italy, Brazil, Sweden, Spain, and Netherlands seem to have semi-decent squads.

    Whereas, there’s obviously Mexico who is the big dog in CONCACAF, but people shouldn’t sleep on historically Honduras, Panama, Costa Rica, Jamaica, and Canada. While people could argue differently; people still need to remember those countries have very competitive squads.

    Ultimately, Canada will eventually become a major player in the region, but the rest of CONCACAF is at its ceiling. I’d think the WWC will eventually become harder.
     
  11. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #11 Sebsasour, Jun 29, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2019
    If The Gold Cup was on the road, I would pick that, but I think people underestimate our dominance against CONCACAF teams at home, particularly against teams that aren't Mexico.

    By my count, over the last 5 cycles The USMNT has played 75 competitive home games against non Mexico CONCACAF teams. Our record is 65 wins. 7 draws, and 3 losses. That's dominance that the women have not had at The World Cup level (though they've been dominate too)

    The US losing to any team at home not named Mexico, is a massive upset. Whereas there's 3-4 teams at The Women's level who I think could beat The US and not be all that shocked by it. The women were essentially thrown into a toss up game in the quarters, and though they're favorites in the semis, I wouldn't consider them massive ones. That would never happen in a Gold Cup

    The only difference is the women are never an underdog, we're usually a slight underdog to Mexico.
     
  12. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Yep. The permanent home-field advantage is key.

    I do think the answer to this question has changed a little since the early 2000s. In the 1990s, the US national team wasn't quite as established and the Gold Cup commonly invited guest teams (such as Brazil, who astonishingly never won the tournament. I know Brazil brought B teams, but it still is a slight surprise).

    While how many national teams really provided competition to the US Women in the 1990s and early 2000s - Norway, Germany, Sweden, China? Only in the mid-2000s did this really start to change. FIFA rankings for women's national teams weren't even introduced until 2003.
     
  13. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    They both are easy.
     
  14. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good observation. I think this is why people are shocked when we don't dominate the same teams in WCQ.
     
  15. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Us has won 3/7 world cups and 6/15 gold cups. The gold cup comes down basically to a game againstMexico at home, but there aren’t really any teams to challenge the US at the WWC, especially when they get a lot of help from the referees.
     
  16. OfficeSpace

    OfficeSpace Red Card

    United States
    Jun 8, 2019
    This hasn't been true since 2011.
     
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  17. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    Yeah, I was just thinking that as well. For as much as we say that the Gold Cup is all about US vs. Mexico, it hasn't been the past three tournaments. We'll see if this year changes things.
     
  18. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    in 2019 and beyond I'd say the WWC by a bit. Not sure I'd say the same thing a decade ago though.
     
  19. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    that's an interesting question isn't it?
    If you look at the overall record, the US is obviously the most dominant team in the world but it is becoming far more competitive. the US has won the whole thing 3 times out of 7 but 2 of the 3 were in the 90's when, over three world cups, only six different countries made it to the top four. In 7 world cups, the US only failed to make the finals 3 times. Even though I expect the US to win it's fourth WC and second in the 2010's I would have to say that the women's wc is now slightly more difficult for the US to win than the Gold Cup. Close though....and a case can definitely be made for the Gold Cup.
     

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