Which Euro Coaches With No US/Can Experience Have Been Successes

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by Paul Berry, Mar 1, 2017.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I tried creating a poll but it disappeared. Opinions Please:

    Veljko Paunovic
    Hans Westerhof
    Bobby Houghton
    Gary Smith
    Owen Coyle
    Ruud Gullit
    Bora Milutinović
    Alfonso Mondelo
    Adrian Heath
    Marco Schällibaum
    Frank Stapleton
    Walter Zenga
    Patrick Vieira
    Hans Backe
    Carlos Queiroz
    John Carver
    Chris Cummins (interim)
    Aron Winter
    Teitur Thordarson

    I ask in the context of Gerardo Martino being appointed at Atlanta.
     
  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hans Backe was decent. Vieira is off to an excellent start. Gary Smith was mediocre, but the Rapids had a lucky cup run so he has a trophy.

    I think that's the end of the list of people who could be called "successes" by even a very generous definition.
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hans Backe did a good job a Notts just before it became apparent the massive investment the owners claimed they were making was a fraud.
    He brought Luke Rodgers with him who wasn't even that good in the English D4.
     
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  4. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    Cummins did a good job considering the dog of a team that he had. Won the Voyageurs Cup and only missed out on the playoffs by an away loss in the final match of the season. Had TFC had any notion of the value of continuity, the team might have made the playoffs much sooner than they ended up doing it. There was also the matter of a rogue GM who was using the revolving coaching job as a scapegoat to protect his own job.

    Shallebaum had a strong start before opposing coaches began picking apart his system and approach and he was unable to adapt properly in time once the playoffs came around; especially with MLS being a league where strong finishes are rewarded more often than strong starts.

    Patrick Vieira has had a very strong start and the management is focusing prominently on youth development. No guarantees there, but he and/or the FO there seems to have a plan which bodes well for his chances.
     
  5. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sigi Schmid.

    He is foreign born....
     
  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Yes, but he moved here when he was a child. He played high school in the U.S. and then at UCLA. He also coached high school and at UCLA. He was the coach of the USA U20 team before taking over at the Galaxy. You can't say he didn't have any US experience.

    Dominic Kinnear was also foreign-born but he shouldn't be on this list either.
     
  7. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The chuckles are good. And, yes, he was born in Germany, but is American.

    At what point does John Spencer stop being Scottish? He's been here for close to two decades now.
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When he loses he accent.
     
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  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Euro Coaches With No US/Can Experience [as a player, coach, student, baby, cheerleader, revolutionary soldier, President, Sea World exhibit etc]
     
  10. Pack87Man

    Pack87Man BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 1, 2001
    Quad Cities
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Paunovic should not be on this list either. He played for the Union, albeit for only half a season.
     
  11. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    Is it me or does it always seem surprisingly for Germans and Scandinavians to mimic UK or American accents? Even Brits and Americans seem to struggle with one another's accents.
     
  12. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    Interesting that you phrased the opening question in the manner that you did considering that Tata is South American.
     
  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, I forgot about his first time coaching in MLS being his first time coaching in MLS.

    But how do you know when people with American accents are Brits?
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  14. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    #14 Unak78, Mar 29, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2017
    In general I just look them up. It stands out more when it's bad. My point isn't that it's not easier for Americans and Brits to mimic one another's accents, it's just that it's remarkable that Scandinavians can do this as often as they can when you still have things like Daniel Craig in Tomb Raider or Keanu Reeves in Dracula.

    E2A: In fairness to Craig, his accent seemed good in parts but was lost when his character had to show emotion. It was likely due to rushed learning and lack of use. Had he had more time to prepare or was able to do the same role in a sequel, it might have improved. Keanu was just hopeless...
     
  15. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Well, that and trying to mention Paunovic and success in the same sentence is a bit of a stretch.
     

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