Where did it all go wrong? - The Early Exit WC Wrap Up Thread

Countdown champions?

 

Don't ruin their delusion with such useless information as facts.

 

Fair enough, what is the proper source for this information then.

 

Boga will probably be eligible for England too.

 

Alright, looking at things from the outside (I'm French), here are some observations on the topic:

• The EPL badly needs a winter break. While the lack of winter break doesn't hurt in May for Champions League, it clearly does in June for Euros and World Cups. No matter the national team, very few EPL players actually shined at this world cup.
  
  
• If there are many international players trusting top EPL clubs, then English players should do the same and play abroad. There is room for England's players in Spain, Germany, Portugal, Italy, France... it's always interesting to bring something from other leagues.
  
  
• When making its squad, the English coach seems to try too much to collect the 11 players with the best individual performance at club level rather than thinking about how they could play together. Team play is what matters the most. Finding players who play well together is what should be focused on.
  
  
• England also needs to press more. I feel England too respectful of its opponents, especially against established sides. You never win anything if you don't bring doubts to your opponents.

 

After 1998 - "We need to follow the French model"
After 2010 " We need to follow the Spanish model"
Now "We need to follow the German model"

How about we come up with our own and go with that?

 

If you had read my post just a bit more, you would have noticed that's clearly not what I was saying.

 

My post was nothing to do with yours - If it was, I would have quoted you!!!

 

Alright then. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

But the countries that revolutionized their youth system didn't just pull a philosophy out of their arse, they went around and copied best practices from everyone else, like we're trying to do.

 

Yep - Understand that completely, but we seem insistent on copying the one that just won.

Always behind, never ahead.

St Georges Park opened last year? I think? Which is the result of the copying France in 1998.... with that kind of timeframe we should be where the Germans are now in time for 2030.

 

Who is 'we' though? I haven't heard anyone from the FA saying we should copy the German system wholesale. In fact, wasn't there a delegation from the German FA at SGP trying to learn from us not so long ago? And no, SGP is not a copy of Clairefontaine, it's a national football centre, something all top countries have. To say that building SGP is copying the French model is ridiculous, especially given that they operate in completely different ways.

 

We haven't heard a lot from the FA recently apart from " Roy's good for the next 2 years" and that stupid commission.

So you think that the development of players is going well in England? Oh that's right. You thought we couldn't be expected to beat Italy and Uruguay.

 

I hate to say it, but Terry and A. Cole would have done better than Baines/Jagielka. Baines is an attacking left-back, what is the point of using him when you have no one to cover him? Rooney left him wide open. A. Cole is the better defender and has more pace.

Not only are Terry - Cahill - A. Cole used to playing with each other week in and week out. But they have huge champions league AND international experience. Mourinho didn't play Cole much, but when he did play, he hardly put a foot wrong and was fresh. I think Mourinho just wanted to get rid of his 200,000 a week wages.

One of Hodgsons biggest mistakes was not begging John Terry to come back.

Also, Steven Gerrard is not a defensive midfielder. Instead Gareth Barry should have been used in that position.

Half of hodgsons team is Liverpool FC with the exception of Gerrard = No CL experience. If your going to use LFC, then at least use the same tactics.

In short. Our defence let us down big time. But what the hell happened to Sturridge? The 2nd most lethal striker in the Premiership last season and yet shocking against Costa Rica and Uruguay.

What was clear though, when Lampard - gerrard were partnered together in the third game. The midfield totally lost it's shape and our passing went out of the window. Lampard - Gerrard together = no midfield. It's good for England that they are retiring soon. Excellent players but cannot play together.

Having said that. Like Martinez said, against Uruguay/italy they were small margins.

 

I think a lot has changed in the last couple of years for the better and I expect that trend to continue. At least so far as things the FA can do anyway.

What does one have to do with the other? Not sure what sort of dig that is supposed to be anyway. Italy and Uruguay are better teams than England.

 

I can't find the words to express how glad I am that he didn't do that. It would be a disgrace to the shirt.

 

I don't think they are. Especially a Uruguay without Suarez. All three are evenly matched.

 

If Boga became English then that would be a huge coup. I've seen some clips of him and he looks fantastic. However I can't see France letting him slip away.