Where did it all go wrong? - The Early Exit WC Wrap Up Thread

The technical deficiencies, lack of tactical awareness and traditionally poor game-management of the players told, plus Hodgson isn't a very good coach.

 

Those damn foreigners having the cheek to be better at a game we invented.

 

Shoe horbing rooney sacrificed the shape of the side, cole and gibbs >>> baines, terrible generation of cbs and cms, gerrard and hendo left on an island both games, terrible coach with no idea how to balance a side and cant make changes, not pressing properly and a terrible structure and fa ran by clueless idiots

Anything else?

 

I don't think Baines did poorly. I think he was continually left 2v1 and made to look poor by Hodgson's set up.

 

I would trade a nut for our defence of 2004/2006 and our midfield of 2002 to go with our current attack...

How did we go from having Campbell, Terry, Ferdinand, King, Carragher, Woodgate etc all in their prime and some of the best CBs in the world at their time, to the current generation of Smalling, Jones, Jagielka, Cahill..

 

ROONEY. Should have been benched.

Why was Wellbeck starting on the wing? Should have been on as a super-sub if you ask me

Why wasn't Lambert played more? At least given more than 12 mins against Uruguay.

 

Until we have a plan/vision that is put in place nothing will change for us, because it does not matter who is in charge of the NT if the pickings are slim even the best coach can only do so much, and our pickings as far as defence and holding midfielders goes is the worst I have ever seen

 

Where did it all go wrong?
According to Gordon Stachan, it was on that big green (painted) area out in the rainforest.

 

I think the seed of our elimination came from the decision to not press the Italians. Maybe we were too respectful of them, maybe it was too much focus on the conditions, but we've seen now they were beatable. The talent available is what it is, we need a manager and a plan that will get the most out of them. We shouldn't need a team full of superstars to get out of the group stage. Plenty of those already there have squads with clear weaknesses.

For multiple tournaments "we" (as represented by the UK media) have had too high expectations. Now we see the danger of too low expectations/complacency: the danger is, you meet them.

 

Even worse is that the curious thing whereby low expectations are further lowered and looked upon as a good thing when the results are bad.

See "These have been the best England performances I've seen in years!", "The future is bright", "You can't expect to beat teams ranked higher than you" etc...

 

Good job only one team is ranked above us for the Euro Qualifiers.

Second place is ours for the taking!

 

Poor tactics, weak mentality in the players and lack of any prime world class player.

 

Before the tournament I didnt trust Hodgson to produce the appropriate tactics for each opponent and I was sadly right. I still thought we would find a way to get through the group ,but not look convincing doing it.

 

Oh no, that's changed. You see it's alright for other countries to punch above their weight and beat teams ranked higher than them, England are not good enough to do this apparently. However if a team ranked lower than us draws or beats us then that's expected because we're not every good/expectations are low/they're punching above their weight. Expectations are adjusted accordingly so it becomes retrospectively expected that we draw both games with Estonia...

 

I'd written a list of reasons why we were so poor in this World Cup but by the time I got to point eight of 'managerial problems' I lost all motivation and deleted it. I'll give you the truncated version:

Reasons why were were shit:

1. Roy Hodgson

 

Problem still rests centrally with the FA, although hopefully Ashworth can prove to be more competent than Brooking. Can sack Hodgson but problem is no obvious candidate to replace, especially as the FA wasted 10 years and every available opportunity on trying to groom Stuart Pearce, that's something which has really crippled us. Terrible decision making and of course had to 'give him time'.

 

The Pearce experiment still puzzles me.

 

The problem wont stop till we qualify more intelligent coaches with a licences, pay them more and not rely on ex players and nepotism. Football from the ground up is laughable, get some foreign coaches in to educate us!

 

Your right but whether the FA do it is another question because, owning up to your own incompetence is not an easy thing to do, especially for an organisation like them where the old boy network and little England mentality is rife and part of there DNA

 

England don't pick balanced teams. It's that simple.

This is far for more important than discussing individuals or numbered formations.

England lack players with all around skillsets (this isnt to say they re not good players in the right team) - we therefore need to pick players who complement each other and NOT the players considered best (particularily if this is based almost solely on clubform)

Gerrard and Lampard are the perfect example of 2 very good players with similar strengths and weaknesses in terms of skillsets - nobody seems to have learned the lesson that the best players dont always make the best teams.

********ing Groundhog Day.

 

Are there in English clubs technical players similar to Paul Scholes?

 

Nope.