When will anyone aside from Old Firm win the league?

Discussion in 'Scotland' started by thekorean, Mar 1, 2017.

  1. thekorean

    thekorean Member

    Jan 10, 2017
    Club:
    New York City FC
    It has been over 30 years since Aberdeen won the league, and it has been all Old Firm since. Will any other team ever win the league again?
     
  2. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    Probably not unless they both get demoted at the same time for some reason unrelated to league performance. Those two can just outspend all the other teams by so much, it's hard for the smaller teams to compete with them. It's Rangers first season back in the Premiership and look where they're already at.
     
  3. thekorean

    thekorean Member

    Jan 10, 2017
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Even for football standard it's a bit much. La Liga is dominated by Real and Barca but even they have occasional wins by Atletico and Valencia.

    Seems like the best shots would be Hearts and Hibs.
     
  4. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    While attendance numbers aren't everything, I think they can help explain the discrepancy.

    In La Liga, Barcelona is first with 80k per game, Real Madrid is second with 68k, and Atletico comes in 3rd at 43.5k per game. So Atletico gets 57% of Barcelona's attendance and 65% of Real's. In Scotland, Celtic is first with 54.8k per game, Rangers are second with 49k, and Hearts are in 3rd with 16.4k per game. That's only 30% of Celtic's attendance and 33.5% of Rangers' attendance for Hearts. (If you compare the top attendance to the middle attendance, it's even more stark. Las Palmas gets 26% of Barcelona's attendance and their average of 20k is still more than Hearts' average. Kilmarnock get 9% of Celtic's average.)

    So as you can see, there's a much bigger difference in support between Celtic/Rangers and Hearts than there is between Barcelona and Atletico (Hibernian isn't even in the Premiership at the moment, but when they were last in they averaged below Aberdeen). So although Edinburgh is large enough that you'd expect their teams to be able to compete with the Glasgow teams, they just don't get the support that those two do.
     
  5. Jamooky

    Jamooky Member+

    Mar 24, 2006
    Cleveland, OH USA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Country:
    United States
    Old Firm? When's the next time Celtic doesn't win it? This is a monopoly.
     
  6. thekorean

    thekorean Member

    Jan 10, 2017
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Rangers will be back though.
     
  7. chungachanga

    chungachanga Member

    Dec 12, 2011
    I don't even know what would have to happen. Celtic / Rangers won't collapse both at the same time, especially now with fair play rules limiting everyone.

    Some crazy rich guy would have to buy one of the little clubs maybe? But with fair play, he would have to be willing to play in Scotland only, because he wouldn't be able to spend freely and play in Europe. Plus it won't happen anyway, Scottish league isn't sexy anymore. Unless some local Scotsman football fanatic builds the next Facebook and becomes a multi billionaire.

    Maybe if Scotland gained independence, that would even the field a little, if they'd also change immigration rules. UK migration laws hurt little clubs more than they hurt big clubs. If their laws were closer to Portuguese / Dutch, all clubs would fish for cheaper talent overseas. Right now the little clubs rely mainly on weak local pool, while Celtic buys their best players.
     
  8. thekorean

    thekorean Member

    Jan 10, 2017
    Club:
    New York City FC
    I mean, Leicester won PL so, anything is possible right?
     

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