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Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by Goodsport, Jan 22, 2012.

  1. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Feb 28, 2004
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    Tweet from ex-Quakes intern:

     
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  2. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Feb 28, 2004
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    Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight thinks it's not Orwellian for the New York Times to change the news it reports to conform to what its subscribers want to hear, regardless of reality.



    Science. Data. We bow before you Supreme One.
     
  3. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    56-58. :(

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
  4. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    Feb 13, 2010
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    I had no idea what this was about so I had to look it up...

    Apparently Trump's (currently the President of the United States) constant stream of xenophobic and racist rhetoric got 22 people murdered by one of his many white supremacist fanboys, and xenophobe and white supremacist Tucker Carlson said on white supremacist state television Fox News that white supremacy is a "hoax"



    and had on Mark Penn



    to criticize a news company changing a headline (something that happens all the time, for various reasons), and Trump who is the leader of the current US administration where dozens of employees have ties to Fox News and with him Trump has a circular "human centipede" relationship saw this and tweeted about it



    and... what part of this is Orwellian again? Has anyone actually read Orwell?

     
  5. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    And you obviously still don't.

    Quite apart from the underlying partisan back-and-forth, and substantive political positions, a news organization that changes a truthful headline merely to appease a mob is no longer a credible news organization, but a craven and corrupt one.

    Unlike you, I'm not making a political commentary. I'm commenting on the abdication of American journalism. This is just the latest example.
     
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  6. Goodsport

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    May 18, 1999
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    United States
    56-59. :(

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
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  7. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
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    Great July but terrible August!
     
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  8. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Feb 28, 2004
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    And you still don't.

    Quite apart from the underlying partisan back-and-forth, and substantive political positions, a news organization that changes a truthful headline merely to appease a mob is no longer a credible news organization, but a craven and corrupt one.
     
  9. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Apparently it fooled quite a few people, actually... or those people are just being disingenuous... maybe some are white supremacists themselves, or just fine with white supremacy. Who even knows anymore.
     
  10. Goodsport

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    May 18, 1999
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    And then soon afterward, the Bruce Bochy era will be over here. :(

    Who will take his place?

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
  11. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
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    So what. The Times got it wrong to begin with. Considering the avalanche of lies that spew out of El Presidente's mouth and twitter feed you can't take anything he says at face value. Did he utter those words? Yes? Was he sincere about what he said? Hardly. Did it look like another one of those hostage videos that his staff convinces him he has to make? Certainly. That should have been the story.
     
  12. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Trump is not the first President to (regularly) read from a prepared text. And he is not the first to (regularly) lie while in office.

    It's not the job of a journalist reporting the news to evaluate in a news story whether or not the President was sincere in what he said. That can be done in an editorial, on a separate page clearly marked to denote opinion content.

    If the new standard is that journalists are allowed to peer into the President's mind and heart to devine what he is really thinking and feeling, then we are in a bad place. If on the other hand, this is not a new standard, but a special standard simply because the media hates Trump, then we are also in a bad place. It is thoroughly unprofessional and corrosive of our democracy. And the longer this shit goes on, the less likely the media will ever regain their credibility.

    just the facts ma'am.jpg
     
  13. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
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    News organizations exist to produce a product that will be purchased by customers and supported by advertizers, thus increasing shareholders' value. You are both apparently laboring under the misapprehension that news outlets are some sort of public utility...
     
  14. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    If that is how the mainstream media regard themselves, as merely a-professional purveyors of products without any associated ethical obligations (and certainly that is how Nate Silver regards them because he said so in his tweet), then they deserve no special regard and all the opprobrium that descends upon them as the "Enemy of the People" for their "Fake News."

    Lawyers have professional ethical obligations. Doctors do, as well. So, too, do those who pretend to call themselves journalists.
     
  15. bsman

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    Doctors and lawyers are required to submit to a state board for a license to practice their occupation. I am not aware that there are any minimum standards or licenses required to be a journalist, so the comparison is inapt.
     
  16. don gagliardi

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    I stand by my statement that journalists have ethical obligations.

    Whether or not journalists are subject to professional discipline for failure to follow them, ethical rules governing their supposed profession still exist.

    Moreover, the absence of formal professional disciplinary mechanisms is an argument for more vigorous defamation laws. And if journalists persist in disclaiming ethics, the law is likely to evolve accordingly.
     
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  17. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
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    Remember, thought, that the term "journalist" itself is not well-defined. By virtue of providing original content to BigSoccer, for example, I could claim to be a journalist and nobody could effectively dispute that claim...
     
  18. LongTimeQuakesFan'74

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Nov 12, 2007
    Arlington, TX, USA
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    That’s a lot of politics in a soccer thread.
    Back to soccer discussions, please.
     
  19. Goodsport

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    May 18, 1999
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    57-59. :)

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
  20. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Feb 28, 2004
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    I might have to start watching this season's Hard Knocks. :)

     
  21. Goodsport

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    May 18, 1999
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    57-60. :(

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
  22. Goodsport

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    May 18, 1999
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    United States
    58-60. :)

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
  23. Goodsport

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    #7325 Goodsport, Aug 11, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2019
    1-0-0 (preseason). :)

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     

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