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Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by Goodsport, Jan 22, 2012.

  1. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Garappolo needs to recover from his injury before he worries about that.
     
  2. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
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    Beathard is the one who needs to be worried.
     
  3. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    The Raiders are just that bad. Both are owned/operated by rich nitwits who have never worked for or accomplished anything in their lives (not that Fisher is really different).

    Difference there is at least Fisher didn't have the gall to steal money from a municipality or try to hold a city hostage in order to get a free stadium. The bay area would be better off without the NFL.
     
  4. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Although it was another time, Eddie DeBartolo Jr never really worked either and he won. Neither did Al Davis who was a thug and he cooked the books to take over the Raiders and the AFL. The Raiders though still had successful teams for decades.

    Mark Davis on the other hand is just continuing the legacy of his dad. I don’t think he knows much or cares about the team as Al did but if he were still alive, I’m sure he will have done the same thing his son is doing. Or rather, leveraging or holding the franchise hostage whole another city will be seeing the fruits. That is what happened when the Raiders moved to LA the first time.
     
  5. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The past always is.;)
     
  6. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    7-4-3. :)

    The Sharks flew victorious in overtime over the visiting Philadelphia Flyers. :D

    Next up: the SAP Center at San José hosts the Minnesota Wild on NBC Sports California HD on Tuesday.

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
  7. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    And DeBartolo Jr. was pretty bad at business outside of football. But he was at least smart enough to hire the best team management staff he could, which is why that team was successful.

    The Yorks, unfortunately, clearly have no idea how to run a successful pro football team, and aren't smart enough or willing to take their son's toy away from him before he destroys it. And I hope he does.

    Al Davis absolutely worked, and he worked at every meaningful management level in pro football before taking over ownership control of the Raiders. That's why the Raiders were successful. His son doesn't have the experience his father did, nor the interest to learn it, apparently. Hence a very bad team.
     
  8. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I didn't even know Al Davis had a son until he passed away. You are right though Al was the Raiders first coach and he was in on ever decision from the beginning until he died. He was a true Raider and love him or hate him, he truly bled for his team.

    Eddie DeBartolo was a disaster initially but then he hired Bill Walsh and John McVay and learned along the way. He took the presidency away from Walsh when Bill wanted to trade Joe Montana and named himself president again. Eddie D though also cared about the team and aside from hiring Walsh, treated everyone with respect and the Niners went from being the worst in the league in 1977, 78 and 79 to being the best up until 1999-2000. That is a pretty good run.

    It doesn't look like Fisher though is following in the footsteps of either Davis or DeBartolo.
     
  9. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    The Raiders would have gone belly up if the Bills owner didn't give Al Davis an emergency loan in the mid-60s.

    https://www.silverandblackpride.com...nd-raiders-wouldnt-exist-without-ralph-wilson
     
  10. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Neither did the Yorks, since like Avaya Stadium, Levi's Stadium is fully privately funded. :thumbsup:

    Admittedly, though, there does seem to have been more verbal sniping lately between the San Francisco 49ers and the City of Santa Clara than between the San Jose Earthquakes and the City of San José. :eek:

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  11. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    You can't call a stadium fully privately funded when bonds were sold to raise money and a public authority pays for operating costs, whether reimbursed or not. The people of Santa Clara paid for that stadium and they'll be paying for it for a long, long time.

    And of course there's also the ugly business of the York's buying off the city council in order to get the vote they needed for the measure to pass in the first place. I understand fans of the team not wanting to face facts, but Levi's stadium is everything wrong with professional sports summed up in a tacky, inconvenient, congestion causing monstrosity.

    I'd feel sorry for people in Santa Clara if they hadn't been stupid enough to go along with it.
     
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  12. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More accurately, the city council formed a separate public agency, the Santa Clara Stadium Authority, which secured a $950million construction loan from Goldman Sachs. Supposedly, no public money would go into paying back the loan.
     
  13. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Yes, that is the arrangement. I certainly don't believe no public money will end up paying for the loan, and I certainly don't think you could compare how Avaya was financed and built to Levi's in a favorable way. Whether the construction loan is paid for by taxpayers or not, taxpayers still have to fund the Santa Clara Stadium Authority now, and foot the bill for up front operating costs, which they may or may not fully recoup. It's a gross mess.
     
  14. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's kind of like a parent co-signing a loan for their kid to buy a car, or house. If for some reason the kid isn't making the payments the parent is on the hook.
     
  15. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mmm... Levi's Stadium! :inlove:

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  16. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Being you're Russian, I can see how you admire that homage to Soviet-era architecture.
     
  17. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Feb 28, 2004
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  18. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    10-1. :)

    The Warriors defeated the visiting Memphis Grizzlies. :D

    Next up: Golden State hosts the Milwaukee Bucks on both NBC Sports Bay Area HD and TNT HD on Thursday.

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
  19. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
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    Good thing we get these regular updates. Otherwise, I'd be wondering whether the Warriors won or not. :)
     
  20. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It probably would've been the same during the team's Chris Cohan owned era but from the other direction (except during that era's only two good seasons: the 2006-2007 42-win "We Believe" season and the following season when the team actually won more games but somehow didn't make the playoffs). :eek:

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
  21. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    ahh yes, the glory decades. those were fun.
     
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  22. Goodsport

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    May 18, 1999
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    #6197 Goodsport, Nov 6, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2018
    What us Warriors fans have been going through the last few years is what us 49ers fans went through in the early 1980's and what us Earthquakes fans went through for half a decade starting in 2001: a team that's been mediocre-to-bad for so long suddenly becoming among the elite in its league. It still feels somewhat surreal. :eek:

    Falvo was slightly off in his years insofar as not only were the 49ers not the worst team in the NFL in 1977, they weren't even the worst team in their division that year (they were 5-9-0 while the New Orleans Saints were 3-11-0). The Green Bay Packers had the same record as the Niners that year while several teams around the league had worse records.

    However, 1977 was pretty significant in how bad Eddie DeBartolo, Jr.'s first hiring was: then-GM Joe Thomas pretty much ran the team into the ground, leading to consecutive 2-14-0 seasons in 1978 and 1979 (heck, even going through two head coaches in the 1978 season, one replacing the other midseason) before finally firing Thomas and hiring both Bill Walsh and John McVay for the 1979 season.

    The team improved to 6-10-0 in 1980 rotating between starting QB's Steve DeBerg (who'd been the full-time starter beforehand) and a second-year kid from Notre Dame named Joe Montana. By 1981, DeBerg had been traded away, Montana became the established starting QB and the team went 13-3-0 in the regular season enroute to their first Super Bowl visit and win. :thumbsup:

    As Falvo also accurately alluded to, Steve Young's final concussion early in the 1999 season finally forced him to retire and pretty much ushered in the end of the 49ers' long, consistent Golden Age (even though the team would still enjoy intermittent success the next few years under head coach Steve Mariucci and QB Jeff Garcia).

    After a mini-resurgence under head coach Jim Harbaugh, internal politics pretty much blew up a good thing (similar to what happened to the Warriors' pre-Golden Age mini-resurgence from the 2006-2007 to the 2007-2008 NBA seasons). Which has all led to the present, though I do feel that GM John Lynch and head coach Kyle Shanahan are on the right track but they really need to add depth to the team (the current 49ers' projected starting offense - including RB Jerrick McKinnon - was actually pretty decent, but the lack of any depth made them extremely susceptible to just a few key injuries, which is exactly what happened even before the season began). :(

    I wonder if a similar resurgence can happen for the Earthquakes again... :confused:

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! [​IMG]


    -G
     
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  23. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    its always possible it could happen again for the Quakes, hard to see how right now but if this coach lives up to the hype and knows of talented young players in Mexico or Argentina who might be willing to follow him to San Jose...maybe.

    but yeah, the Montana/Young -era, incredible. seeing teams roll in like the Falcons or the Rams, those games were often over before they started, the Niners were that dominant, great times!
     
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  24. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    No punts for either team. I was there.

     

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