What's up with this new forum?

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad Academy' started by dark knight, Aug 14, 2014.

  1. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    New York City FC
    TB4L banned from all Canada threads for making "eh" jokes?
     
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  2. TheFalseNine

    TheFalseNine Moderator
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    United States
    Jul 15, 2014
    Norman, Okla.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay, several posters are wondering why Yank head coaches abroad are in the Academy subforum, and I have to say, I think they might be right. We could apply the same criteria for leagues in which players play to coaches. For example, David Wagner of Huddersfield should really be in the main YA forum, not the Academy, while academy coaches should remain in the YAA forum.
     
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  3. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    New York City FC
    So I realize we never made it official but we’ve agreed that league games only count towards promotion - cups, club friendlies, etc do not.
     
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  4. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does that also include Champions League/Europa League types of competition?
     
  5. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    New York City FC

    Squirrel!

    (I’m fine with that being enough, but is it very likely that one will come without tother?)
     
  6. An Ajax kid debuted in a CL match this season iirc.
     
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  7. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Remember how Julian Green got a CL appearance without any league appearances? Jonathan Klinsmann started a Europa League match, but never had a 1st team league appearance. Zelalem appeared in a FA Cup & CL match with no league appearances.

    Obviously, sometimes strong teams put out more junior lineups in the CL matches because they can and those players may never play for the first team otherwise.

    Not trying to advocate one way or the other, but you gotta be clear when you set the rules or we will just argue over them until someone pokes an eye out.

    The Club World Cup would be another important FIFA competition that could easily see more junior players taking part.
     
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  8. TheFalseNine

    TheFalseNine Moderator
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    United States
    Jul 15, 2014
    Norman, Okla.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My preference would be to keep it simple: only league matches.
     
  9. taylor

    taylor Member+

    Jun 9, 2000
    Fav team: FC CARL ZEISS JENA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    As always i appreciate all of your work but can i bring up again the topic of yanks abroad playing in mls or second division canada? The whole point if ya is, to me, they play abroad (in my narrow def means outside of north america) but it seems to me that mlsers should be put in the academy forum.

    Anyways thanks for your work!


    Also agree that head coaches wagner, marsch, even enochs should be in main forum. A lot hard to ya coach then to play abroad...
     
  10. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
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    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I understand your post, you're suggesting that a US player should be a YA if he's playing for Toronto or Vancouver, but he should be in YAA. No. It's still the domestic league.

    As for coaches, the reason some posters brought up the idea of splitting the forum to begin with was that it was getting unwieldy: some threads in which they were interested were constantly being pushed to the lower pages. So we had to come up with a rationale for populating YAA that moved enough threads out of the main forum to address the problem that made people want the split to begin with. The coaches are in YAA not because anybody questions the value or interest of their work, but because we used the kinda-sorta thematic relationship of coaching as teaching to the idea of an academy. We also hoped it might make their threads easier to find.
     
  11. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    New York City FC
    What would you do?
     
  12. taylor

    taylor Member+

    Jun 9, 2000
    Fav team: FC CARL ZEISS JENA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    First do obv. What is easiest for you mods.
    My defenition of a yank abroad is if he is playing outside of nafta (i do not recognize mexican soccer, dos a cero ;).

    If there are players who are either loaned out to mls or playing second division canada then they belong in yaa, by defenition they are not yanks abroad. imho.
    Just look at the page lengths if keaton etc... Vs marsch. Marsch will be the first american to coach a champions league match. Imho, lol he needs to be supper dupper sticked in just out if respect for his performance. I am on my cell phone so i cant check how many pages he has compared to mls posters coming to ya and "inflating/trolling/mls contamination" ya pages.

    In any event thanks again.

    Also ot but i will be a german (dfb) liscensed youth coach this year... So yeah go usa coaches ;)
     
  13. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why can't there be a sub-forum for coaches? I don't know nothin' about no modding, but is that really so difficult? ;)
     
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  14. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, things have been working pretty well with any first team competitive match leading to a promotion, so I would have kept that the way it was. There is such variety in the kinds of competitive matches and their quality that it seems like a good leveler to me. An FA Cup final is the same as a Mongolian Premier League match.

    But if it's all about league appearances, then I would state specifically that ONLY league matches count and not Champions League, cup matches, super cups, Europa League, US-Mexico Leagues Cup and whatever other competitive matches might need listing. I would also ask whether that includes post-season playoffs like in Mexico or promotion/relegation matches.

    What works best for us in "managing" the forums and threads as users is guidance and consistency. Tell us specifically what you want and moderate it with those rules in place. This thread should be the "laws" of the forum and we can discuss any interpretations needed (meaning it shouldn't be buried in individual threads but brought here for discussion).
     
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  15. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    New York City FC
    There can be and I’m not sure the difficulty is the issue. It’s always been pretty niche - it’s not something we’ve considered partly because you can go stretches without an American coach abroad or maybe just one. Is this a fix that is needed? It’s a little weird to have them under Yanks Abroad in the first place if you ask me (even though it makes the most logical sense).
     
  16. taylor

    taylor Member+

    Jun 9, 2000
    Fav team: FC CARL ZEISS JENA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What if there was a third subforum for coaches and non top euro league players?
    Eg ya/yaa/coaches and leagues outside of top five euro?
     
  17. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Damn - this sub-forum is 5 years old? Time flies.
     
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