What's up with this new forum?

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad Academy' started by dark knight, Aug 14, 2014.

  1. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You were put through the wars, man.
     
  2. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
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  3. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I'm really sad we don't have a Yank Owners Abroad subforum...

    well, now that I mention it...

    Heck, maybe we'll get enough coaches one day to warrant it's own subforum.

    (Ha, just saw BostonRed actually suggested it. I'm always one step behind the beantowners...)
     
  4. taylor

    taylor Member+

    Jun 9, 2000
    Fav team: FC CARL ZEISS JENA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Thanks.
    Well if you don't want to put him in ya, which for the life of me I don't understand, can you at least change the category to:academy AND coaches
    Or three different categories of:ya, coaches and academy?
     
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  5. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was thinking the same thing. Bradley is coaching first-team Premier League players who have with hundreds upon hundreds of league career appearances in the EPL and other top European leagues -- he's not coaching academy kids -- so it makes more sense to me to simply change the title to "YA Academy and YA Coaches" or something. Or create a separate subforum for YA Coaches.

    I do see the upside in having Bradley's thread outside of the regular YA so it won't get buried, and I understand YA Coaches is mentioned within the little description of YA Academy, but the inclusion of a Premier League manager there makes little sense to me without coaches being in the title and not just in the faded fine print that not many will bother to look at. If "YA Coaches" is part of the title, then problem solved.
     
  6. (TxT)

    (TxT) Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    Tampa, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    YA Academy & Coaches would be a good name.
     
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  7. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    YA think?!?


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  8. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's the rationale for having this thread in YA Academy and not plain old YA? I think this move would signify that Bob has definitely graduated and deserves his thread in the other forum.
     
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  9. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Coaches go in YAA. It helps boost traffic to the page and keeps all the popular threads on Page 1 in both areas.
     
  10. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we should make an exception then like we did for Mix. Bob's earned it.
     
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  11. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. Mix himself requested that his thread stay where it had originated. We obliged. (And please folks, nobody make a Bob Bradley user account to request that we move his thread...)
    2. The presence of coaching threads in Academy does not indicate that we think any less of them. We just responded to concerns about the front page of the original forum getting too crowded and decided that coaches and the developmental aspect of the Academy idea (because coaches are supposed to help develop players) made a bit more sense and was more practical than anything else we were considering).

    3. Update (to all of those interested in this): Still waiting for comments from other mods (who are either away on vacation or bogged down with work in the real world) regarding requests for changes to policy.
     
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  12. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with this.

    I think that the continued issues/questions that posters have are as much a branding problem as they are a policy problem. It doesn't make sense and it's not intuitive to look for a high-profile thread like Bradley in forum with a title that clearly connotes both a lesser/inferior status and a focus on youth.

    YA Academy strongly implies that it's a forum for youth prospects. But we're also throwing in senior team managers and lower-division players. Just change the name to reflect that.
     
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  13. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm kind of leaning that way myself, to be honest.

    It'd be nice if someone came up with a stroke of genius with regard to a name that didn't automatically imply lèse–majesté with respect to a situation like Bob Bradley's to some of our regular users. And in so saying, I'm NOT trying to dismiss that concern. I really don't want the forum structure to annoy folks, especially regular users. It was in fact annoyance on the part of some of hardest working regulars that gave rise to the changes.
     
  14. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's why I say give the coaches and admin personnel their own section. YA Coaches & Such gives them some equal footing while maybe giving them more traffic than they get now, buried in the Academy. Most, even Bob at Le Harve, didn't get regular updates, even though they are coaching every week and making moves that people might talk about if they weren't overwhelmed by PL2 and BL U19 matches.
     
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  15. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am on board with BostonRed's idea. Make a new section for coaches and trainers etc.

    To add to this. possibly include American owners abroad in the coaching section. It could be called something like... Yank Owners, Coaches and Trainers Abroad.
     
  16. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    If someone can work this into YOCAL(s) Abroad, I'm on board!
     
  17. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    I confess to not totally getting the "If they've played in MLS they should be in the main forum, no matter if or where they play abroad" rule. This is Yanks Abroad. Take the Alex Bono thread: Rumors fit well in the Academy forum generally, and who cares where a player plays domestically in the context of YA?

    Surely it makes little sense to put a (hypothetical) guy with a few MLS appearances in the MLS forum if he plays in, say, Sweden's second division.

    Of course, it's possible I no longer know/understand the rule...
     
  18. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't worry. They quashed my request. I'm the one who doesn't understand.

    I'm going to leave it well enough alone.
     
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  19. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    But that's just one example. It's honestly something I don't understand -- I'm not really interested in playing thread cop, rather just trying to make this place as navigable as possible.
     
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  20. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have recommended before we put the coaches and non-playing personnel into a separate thread. No more arguing about where a coach belongs and maybe they will get more attention than they get now.
     
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  21. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Not to be That Guy, which I totally am, but maybe this is an opportunity to reconsider dividing YA into subforums that are self-explanatory?



    I could easily, because I don't have to do the work, see this happening in ways that would require few, if any, thread moves, and would be crystal-clear to posters.
     
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  22. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A somewhat related question about the YA forums going forward...

    It makes sense that we don't consider teams in Canada as overseas for YA purposes because the teams are in a US-based league (MLS, USL, NASL), but now the Canadian Premier League is kicking off in 2019 and will be entirely contained within Canada (at least for now).

    Has the Grand Wizards Council made a call on how any YAs who sign in Canada will be treated for the purposes of these forums? It makes sense that the league will be a YAA league, but wondering if players who head to Canada will be eligible for their own threads.

    I don't care either way, but figured we'd want to make a decision soon as the CPL teams are announcing signings.
     
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  23. TheFalseNine

    TheFalseNine Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Jul 15, 2014
    Norman, Okla.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think any Yanks that sign with CPL teams should get their own YAA threads, yeah. But I'll defer to @bungadiri and @dark knight to make the final call.
     
  24. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    New York City FC
    We cover Mexico so I would agree. Own threads for anyone outside of the US system.
     
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  25. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    That was fast, simple and direct - what am I missing? Where's the catch?
     
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