What Would a Fall to Spring Schedule w/ a winter Break Look Like?

Discussion in 'MLS: Commissioner - You be The Don' started by Udosean, Nov 16, 2014.

  1. MLSFan10

    MLSFan10 Member

    Mar 23, 2014
    #51 MLSFan10, Feb 15, 2015
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2015
    Well, its mid-February and its -6 in New York. Not supposed to crack like 10 degrees all week. Seems like that's been the case for weeks on end...

    How long was that winter break going to be when we switch to Fall-Spring? lol
     
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  2. MLSFan10

    MLSFan10 Member

    Mar 23, 2014
    Are all the MLS teams going to play their game at the same stadium at the same time? No? Ok, false equivalent is false.
     
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  3. MLSFan10

    MLSFan10 Member

    Mar 23, 2014
    Munich(South Germany) forecast for the week:
    Mon
    44° / 28°
    Tue
    44° / 28°
    Wed
    40° / 30°
    Thu
    46° / 28°
    Fri
    46° / 31°

    Berlin (North Germany)
    Mon
    40° / 33°
    Tue
    45° / 36°
    Wed
    46° / 35°
    Thu
    47° / 28°
    Fri
    46° / 38°

    Compared to....

    Montreal
    Mon
    6° / -7°
    Tue
    7° / -6°
    Wed
    11° / -4°
    Thur
    16° / 10°
    Fri
    18° / -6°

    Boston
    Mon
    16° / 7°
    Tue
    25° / 14°
    Wed
    26° / 17°
    Thu
    23° / 7°

    New York
    Mon
    23° / -1°
    Tue
    28° / 18°
    Wed
    35° / 16°
    Thu
    23° / 8°

    Minneapolis
    Mon
    20° / 2°
    Tue
    14° / -7°
    Wed
    4° / -6°
    Thu
    14° / -1°

    Columbus
    Sun
    13° / 1°
    Mon
    26° / 17°
    Tue
    38° / 20°
    Wed
    27° / 14°
    Thu
    23° / 10°



    These aren't flukes either. This is how it is, our highs are usually a good bit below their lows and it snows way more here than in Europe.
     
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  4. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Someone is going to counter with "but you just play the games in warm weather cities", which is fair enough. The problem is that everything you have listed is still important because teams need to practice. So teams in the north are going to need to have facilities that they can use year round first. Then of course you have the issue where teams are going to miss out on practices because the players can't get to the training facility, so they'll be at a competitive disadvantage. You also have the issue that you run the risk of blizzards shutting down airports so teams can't fly out when they were scheduled. What happens when Montreal tries to fly out on a Thursday to Orlando but their flight is cancelled due to snow. They then have to re-book and try to fly out on a Friday with no guarantee that they'll get a morning flight, so they get into Orlando late Friday for a Saturday afternoon game. There are a number of things that winter weather in the north disrupts outside of hosting a game.
     
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  5. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just easier said than done. Giving warm-weather teams that advantage (for indeterminate lengths of time) isn't that fair, and you're not going to send teams away from home for two months.
     
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  6. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Oh, I know. Trying to convince someone that believes the fall to spring schedule is the only way to go about that is pointless though. So I want to know how they propose to fix all the other competitive disadvantages a team from the north would have to deal with. Because even if you could find data that says there is no disadvantage of playing lengthy home or away games, I'd like to know how the issues of travel and practice during the winter months are going to be fixed.
     
  7. MLSFan10

    MLSFan10 Member

    Mar 23, 2014
    Well actually we'd have cities in the North not seeing their team play live for months (a month break + being away) then, since teams in the South would have to have a bunch of home games in a row, they'd go long stretches at other points in the season without seeing their teams at home....

    It'd be weird and who knows how the fanbases would feel/react to it.
     
  8. RunSudoSane

    RunSudoSane Member

    Nov 3, 2011
    Disagree with this. The idea that teams would have to travel away for even a month is not true.

    At the end of the fall portion of a fall to spring version, which would end around December 21st, you're looking at only the final two weekends primarily being played in southern tier cities. MLS's final is already played on/around December 7th.

    The re-start of the season, in February, would take place two weeks earlier than the current season starts, say February 16th-ish. This requires two weeks of southern tier play, not a big deal. This leaves a seven/eight week winter break, which could be used for all kinds of fun, alternative, training/competitions.

    So...in the middle of the year, your looking at a maximum of four games primarily in southern locales. I say "primarily" because there are some domed stadiums in play. Balancing the schedule would take place in August and then randomly in the spring. The final seven weeks of the spring would be balanced and mostly divisional play, as now.

    The resulting travel and practice around the four weeks in question (two fall/two spring) would be easy to deal with. The fact that MLS would no longer be spending every summer trying to remain relevant, as Gold Cup, World Cups, Traveling European teams, etc. overshadow anything MLS can hope to achieve, is priceless.
     
  9. RunSudoSane

    RunSudoSane Member

    Nov 3, 2011
    #59 RunSudoSane, Feb 16, 2015
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2015
    You do realize MLS, the majority of the teams (unless you considered this year's new--If You Can Breathe, You're in the Playoffs, structure a wonderful upgrade), are off for FOUR months, November-February?
     
  10. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I set no false equivalency. I pointed out that the Individual Sports are year-round excursions and, therefore, any time that MLS put on games it would have to compete. Demonstrating that it is not a major concern for this discussion.

    Reading comprehension? No? Okay, failure is failure.
     
  11. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NBA teams fly in and out of cold/northern cities all winter long and get on with it just fine.

    If the Raptors in Toronto or Celtics in Boston or Bulls in Chicago can handle it, why can't MLS teams?

    Of all the concerns with changing the schedule, this one doesn't even register on the radar.
     
  12. WarrenWallace

    WarrenWallace Member

    Mar 12, 1999
    Beer and Cheese
    NBA teams and probably NHL teams (not sure) also have their own private planes to shuttle their teams wherever and whenever they want. MLS teams fly commercial so they are at the mercy of the airlines.
     
  13. 4four4

    4four4 Member+

    Nov 13, 2013
    Land of 10,000 Lakes
    I believe you are correct except the teams may have two road games that are not commercial.
     
  14. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Private Charter flight or not, if the airport is closed, the airport is closed
     
  15. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Define fun & alternative...
     
  16. RunSudoSane

    RunSudoSane Member

    Nov 3, 2011
    Define, Puffdoodlelydoodoo...
     
  17. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can see that you're not really serious about this and just want to shine the nuts of the mythical "Yurpeeen Skedul"
     
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  18. RunSudoSane

    RunSudoSane Member

    Nov 3, 2011
    Ahhh! Not serious enough...Any original thoughts?
     
  19. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Original Thoughts need to come from the side wanting the switch
     
  20. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    A wintertime SuperLiga and MLS All-Star game in warm regions would be nice option for non-competitive break events. MLS all-stars vs US January campers H/A.

    That, and/or a quick futsal tournament with modified MLS teams during the NFL post-season.
     
  21. MLSFan10

    MLSFan10 Member

    Mar 23, 2014
    My apologies.

    I know you regularly stand on the wrong side of this issue so you can't blame me.
     
  22. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're two weeks away from the start of the season. With a switch, we'd have to start at least two weeks earlier. Basically, NOW.

    Columbus is going to have between 8" and 12" of snow TONIGHT.

    I promise you: if an MLS regular season game was taking place here tomorrow, we'd be lucky to get 4,000 people.
     
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  23. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    7"-15" in the Denver metro area this weekend.
     
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  24. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Let's just move all teams to California and Florida.
     
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  25. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's save time, and just move the whole league to Europe. That's really what these people want, after all.
     
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