What to do with Omar in 2016?

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  1. JBZTV

    JBZTV Member+

    May 10, 2009
    That's where I'm sure you're wrong. That's decent money that would need to be re-couped from ticket & jersey sales, not to mention a lucrative (supposedly already agreed to) summer friendly.
     
  2. 73Bruin

    73Bruin Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
    Torrance, California
    Given the choice of being free of Gerrard's $6 mil plus contract or re-couping any money, I think the right choice from both a soccer and financial standpoint is to be free of his contract.
     
  3. Dr.Phil

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  4. met999

    met999 Member

    May 7, 2013
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    http://www.lagalaxy.com/post/2015/1...ent-players-through-targeted-allocation-money

    League has announced more TAM will be available in the sum of 800k for each of 2016 and 2017. We still need to obtain about 200k more TAM to buy down Omar's contract (or acquire the full 1 mil of general allocation money, as TAM and general allocation money can't be combined).

    Keeping Omar now is much easier and thus more reasonable, even with his drop in form. I think the club may still offload one of Gyasi or Omar, but based on the recent roster moves it seems more likely that Omar will be here next year than Gyasi.
     
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  5. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

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    TAM is a signing mechanism? So we are resigning Omar to a new contract?
     
  6. 73Bruin

    73Bruin Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
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    I believe the Galaxy had some TAM money (not a lot) left over from 2015. I thought they also acquired an unknown amount in a previous trade.
     
  7. met999

    met999 Member

    May 7, 2013
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    According to Wahl and others we used absolutely all of our 500k allotment, but you might be right about having traded for some more recently-- I can't remember though.
     
  8. met999

    met999 Member

    May 7, 2013
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    #233 met999, Dec 9, 2015
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    The league has a max salary for any individual player of about 450k, but you're allowed three players (designated players) above that amount. LA had three, including Omar, who is still under contract for about 1.5 mil/yr.

    Allocation money is "money" that, for various reasons, is granted to teams, and can be used to "buy down" players' salaries so that the official "budget charge" of the salary is lower. I've described it as Monopoly money that really just loosens the salary rules a bit for whomever you choose.

    "Targeted" allocation money was created this last summer, and can only be used for one purpose-- to buy down a designated player's salary, to that of the max budget charge (450k) or lower, for the purpose of adding another player to the roster as another designated player at or above the first player's full DP salary (basically taking that first player's DP spot).

    The league gave out 500k to every team last summer, which was supposed to last for five years. We used all of it to buy down Omar's contract, prorated for the second half of the year, to be able to sign Gio as another DP.

    So, unless we disposed of another DP, we needed more TAM to keep Omar at his salary this coming year-- for the full year, we needed about 1 mil. The league just gave out 800k for next year.
     
  9. 73Bruin

    73Bruin Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
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    #234 73Bruin, Dec 10, 2015
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    Given the lack of transparency in the rules, I am not sure this is correct. It might be, but it could just as easily be wrong. First it assumes that a player's guaranteed compensation is their salary budget charge. I have never seen a published explanation of how the salary budget charge is calculated especially for DP's having their salary bought down.

    One thing, I did notice was that there was a 250K difference between Omar's 2015 base and his guaranteed salary according to MLSPU published numbers (this was also true in 2014 where his base was $1m). Per the MLSPU:

    The annual average guaranteed compensation number includes a player's base salary and all signing and guaranteed bonuses annualized over the term of the player's contract, including option years. ... The average annual guaranteed compensation number also includes any annual marketing bonus to be received in the current year and any agent's fees annualized over the term of the contract.
    Consequently, if Omar's received a 1 million dollar signing bonus when his contract was renegotiated in 2013, its is possible that his actual salary budget charge in 2015 was $1.2 million. That would have left just over $118K in TAM from 2015. If it is, then $800K is almost certainly enough to buy down his contract in 2016.

    Obviously, I have no way of knowing if this is correct, nor do any of us know if the Galaxy have any additional TAM funds.
     
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  10. met999

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    May 7, 2013
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    #235 met999, Dec 10, 2015
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    Yeah 200k is just my approximate best guess as to the extra we need this year. It might be less, to the point that it's actually zero. If you go strictly by his 1.45 mil salary and the new max budget charge of 457k, and the fact that by all reports 500k was required for half of last year when the max budget charge was only a bit less, then it's about 200k, but yeah, who knows exactly how it'll be figured, and whether his salary can be accounted differently this coming year.

    For one thing you have to assume MLS didn't just come up with that 800k figure out of nowhere-- Omar is the highest profile player affected by the rule last year, and he's a USMNT player, so obviously the league is very interested in the exact situation required for Omar to stay. [Also, I think there's a chance LA had told the league they couldn't find a suitable buyer for Omar]. So it's very possible that either by cooking the books 800k is exactly all that is needed for 2016, or the league knows that the Galaxy already have the extra 200k/whatever necessary. Per all reports though, any extra TAM they do have wouldn't be left over from last year but rather would have had to be obtained some other way.
     
  11. 73Bruin

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    #236 73Bruin, Dec 10, 2015
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    FWIW, I tried to use the formula with half his guaranteed salary from 2015 - minus half the DP minimum - the 500K TAM and it wasn't enough. 1450K/2 - 436,250/2 - 500K = 6,875. So for the formula to work last year at the guaranteed level, either they needed to prorate it from a different point or the Galaxy had additional TAM in 2015, or the starting point wasn't the guaranteed salary.

    That led me to try and find a definition for a players salary budget. I had no luck there, but I did find the MLSPU, which implied that not all of the guaranteed comp went to the player (agent fees) and included non-salary items (marketing fees - possibly image and jersey sales).

    In researching this I also found, one report that indicated Omar had a no trade clause in his contract, which if true meant that the Galaxy couldn't trade or sell him without his consent.
     
  12. met999

    met999 Member

    May 7, 2013
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    I always assumed they prorated it from a slightly different point from exactly halfway. Gio officially signed (or was announced at least) on July 15, and if you prorate both:

    Max budget charge for 24 remaining weeks: 201,346
    Omar's salary for 24 remaining weeks: 669,231
    Difference: 467,885

    Given that all reports are that LA used all 500,000, I assume the date used was maybe only a few days before July 15. What do you think? To get the numbers above I just used 24/52 weeks to prorate the remaining amounts for 2015. Probably off by a small fraction but it works out very close.

    Yeah I saw his no trade clause mentioned a while back. I'm sure he doesn't want to leave, especially if he wouldn't be a locked in starter at a "bigger" club.
     
  13. skydog

    skydog Member+

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    I think he faces a bigger problem than not being a starter for a bigger club. I think he is facing a pay cut if he doesn't work something out with LA. I just don't see any club anywhere offering him a $1 mil +/yr at this point.
     
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  14. met999

    met999 Member

    May 7, 2013
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    #239 met999, Dec 10, 2015
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    Well that goes back to my initial (unpopular) point, which is that in his form for all of 2015 he probably isn't worth 1.45 mil even without all the TAM gymnastics the club has to do (or had to do, before the new announcement).

    No idea what's in his head, but maybe he would be willing to take a pay cut if he thought he had a good chance at cracking the starting XI of an English club (probably Championship). He doesn't seem to have that kind of mentality to me, though. Just for (very rough) comparison's sake, at current exchange rates Yedlin makes about $570k/yr at Tottenham, and he's had just a sniff of playtime with Spurs and is currently out on loan (and playing poorly) with Sunderland.
     
  15. FC RASTA

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    Mar 28, 2005
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    If we can afford to keep Omar and he wants to stay you keep him. Good defenders are hard to find...he is not great but handles his business most of the time.

    GYasi will be gone in Aug 2016. He is a bargain find for any mid tear EPL team or la liga mid table team. I would like to see him go to Spain were they do not play defense so he can fly by those fools. I think he speaks Spanish too.
     
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  16. FC RASTA

    FC RASTA Member

    Mar 28, 2005
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    Gerrard going back to liverpool would so great. I am sure he is a nice guy and true professional, but his style of play or work rate does not compliment the team. I prefer Husidic over Stevie..yup I said it.
     
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  17. blech

    blech Member+

    Jun 24, 2002
    California
    Or, if you want to be cynical or shrewd, depending on which way you lean, the league wanted to put it close to where it needed to be but not quite there, and then they go to Omar and tell him that they want to make this work and are realllllly close, but need him to renegotiate and reduce a little.....

    The other comments about the no-trade clause are interesting in the context of all of these DP rules. How does it work if things end up in conflict? If they can't trade him because of his contract, but can't have him on the team at his salary because they would have too many DPs, what happens next?
     
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  18. 73Bruin

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    Jul 12, 2008
    Torrance, California
    League rules allow 1 player to be cut during the off season specifically including DP's. This provides salary budget relief but does not free the team from having to pay the player for his contracted salary.

    Now if you wanted to solve this problem you could cut Omar, Gerrard or one of the other DPs. From a soccer perspective this should be a no brainer.
     
  19. met999

    met999 Member

    May 7, 2013
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    #244 met999, Dec 15, 2015
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    @blech you are absolutely right!

    I initially calculated that because Omar's salary is 1.45 mil, basically 1 mil above the max budget charge, that the club needs, in addition to the 800k from the league, an additional 200k of TAM.

    HOWEVER, it appears there's a wrinkle in the rule that is quite easily overlooked.

    From LA Times:
    Bruce Arena said the team also negotiating a contract with veteran forward Alan Gordon and is hopeful of closing a salary gap that would allow it to keep defender Omar Gonzalez

    This was also mentioned in a Goal.com article -- that Omar actually needs to take a salary cut from 1.45 mil down to 1 mil.
    The rules state (from the official league TAM announcement):

    A Player must earn more than $457,500 per year (2016 maximum budget charge) to qualify for Targeted Allocation Money. The compensation ceiling for such players is set at $1,000,000 per year, unless amounts are applied midseason

    So unless we're only using a prorated salary for half the season (like last season), the player' salary for the full year apparently can't be more than 1 mil.

    Thus it's beyond the point of us needing 200k more TAM. At his salary, we can't use any TAM at all on him this year. Thus the club/league needs to renegotiate with Omar and find some way to get his official salary down to 1 mil.

    Which means

    1. He's forced to take a deserved pay cut if he wants to stay. Then if he stays we only need to use about 550 of the 800k of TAM this year. According to the rules, we could use the excess to sign Gyasi to a, say, 700k contract and pay him down to a non DP level (I'm not necessarily advocating this, but I could see it happening). Of course we would probably then have to dump some more players, unless his homegrown status would still exempt him from the cap (I don't think it would, but not sure). With Steve Clarke out at Reading that option of selling Gyasi there at least seems to be closed.

    2. There's a good chance he doesn't accept that and is sold/traded. Regarding no-trade clauses, the way it works everywhere else in the world is that everyone basically has a no-trade/sell clause because a transfer can't be completed without the player coming to terms with the new team. With regard to another MLS team, because the league as a single entity says he can't stay at LA with that salary (unless another DP is dumped), he just would have to decide that he wants his full DP salary, not eligible to be paid down by TAM-- so basically a team with a vacant DP spot. If he wants to stay at LA bad enough, then he takes the pay cut. With regard to a foreign club, he just would have to decide if he can't stay at LA then he wants to test himself abroad (if any buyers can be found).

    IMPORTANTLY though, the LA Times article, unlike the goal.com piece, seems to claim that the problem isn't the 1 mil restriction, but rather what I initially pointed out-- the extra 200k TAM needed. The LA times article implies that LA does not have any extra TAM above the 800k, and need Omar just to take a 200k pay cut.

    I'm currently inclined to believe the official rule of the 1 mil salary ceiling and the 450k pay cut requirement, rather than believe that the club/league finds it significant to haggle 200k with Omar.

    If it's true, overall I think this restriction to 1 mil is actually great for the club as it basically forces Omar into a renegotiation for a more suitable salary, and allows the club more options with the TAM allotment.
     
  20. met999

    met999 Member

    May 7, 2013
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    #245 met999, Dec 15, 2015
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    Why I think it's more likely a 450k pay cut that's required rather than the 200k ( in addition of course to the text of the official rule stating the 1 mil ceiling)--

    Bruce Arena in the LA times article :
    "We're going to do a new contract with him. That's what our goal is. If we can't do it, then we can't work it out."

    I doubt the club and/or Omar would find 200k a significant enough hurdle to talk about it like this.

    Anyway, like I said, when it comes to Omar, at this point I'm quite content for 2016 no matter what happens, whether Omar takes a 200k cut and we use all the free TAM, or even better he's required to take a 450k cut and we have TAM left over, or he is sold/traded. Thus I'm tapping out from this thread once again.
     
  21. met999

    met999 Member

    May 7, 2013
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    One last thing- for convenience, here's the text of the rules from the new TAM announcement. The aforementioned 1 mil salary ceiling is in the last bullet point. I'm not entirely certain whether the scenario of keeping Omar and then signing Gyasi to a 700k salary bought down with leftover TAM to 450k is allowed, but I think it would be:

    • Clubs may use a portion of or all of the available Targeted Allocation Money to convert a Designated Player to a non-Designated Player by buying down his salary budget charge to at or below the maximum salary budget charge. If converted during the Secondary Transfer Window, the Designated Player may earn at maximum $1.5 million on a prorated basis. If Targeted Allocation Money is used to free up a Designated Player slot, the club must simultaneously sign a new Designated Player at an investment equal to or greater than the player he is replacing.
    • Clubs retain the flexibility to convert players bought down with Targeted Allocation Money into Designated Players if they have a free Designated Player slot.
    • Targeted Allocation Money and general Allocation Money may not be used in combination when signing or re-signing a player, or when buying down the budget charge of a Designated Player. Either Targeted Allocation Money or general Allocation Money may be used on a player in a single season, not both.
    • A Player must earn more than $457,500 per year (2016 maximum budget charge) to qualify for Targeted Allocation Money. The compensation ceiling for such players is set at $1,000,000 per year, unless amounts are applied midseason an existing Designated Player adjustment to Targeted Allocation. The minimum budget charge for a player compensated with Targeted Allocation Money is $150,000.
     
  22. skydog

    skydog Member+

    Aug 1, 1999
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    I purposely didn't go to law school. Why is MLS subjecting me to this?
     
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  23. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    If Zardes and Omar both can't be kept how does keeping just Zardes = the best move for you guys?
     
  24. GalaxyKoa

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    #249 GalaxyKoa, Dec 16, 2015
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    It's a false dichotomy. I've seen the "you can only keep one of Zardes or Omar" idea floated around quite a bit (especially by the kids on reddit) and it's just false. I don't know where it came from, possibly from the idea that selling Zardes was the quickest way to obtain a good amount of GAM, but now that the new TAM rules have come about, selling Zardes literally doesn't impact anything about Omar nor does Omar leaving do anything for Zardes because Zardes' salary is completely off budget as of his current contract and if he signs a new contract, his salary will be at the very least heavily subsidized by the HG budget. The two players come from two entirely different pools of money (TAM and HG budget, both of which just saw significant increases). Hell, Dan Gargan has more to do with Omar staying than Zardes does at this point.
     
  25. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    So you guys are going to be able to use enough GAM on Zardes to keep him under max (with the HG discount, which has a ceiling of???) and then the TAM goes to Omar and he has to take a paycut?
     

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