What is the problem with Canada?

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  1. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    So Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver join CPL?
     
  2. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    No they wont, but most observers says that this course of action sets a precedent in the region which could impact their future.

    As of now, that's not happening
     
  3. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  4. gunnerfan7

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    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jeez, that was deja vu. What a great curling shot he has. Unless I'm mistaken, it seems he's scoring more as a WB than he used to as an attacking mid/winger, which I believe he was earlier in his career!
     
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  5. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Jonathan David back on the scoring sheet with a goal and an assist
     
  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  8. Mantis Toboggan M.D.

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jul 8, 2017
    Much less of a concern once the WC expands, especially if you're talking about a full merger and not just the US/Mexico/maybe CR and other Central American countries bolting. A fully merged confederation would likely have around 12-13 spots for a 48-team WC, the US isn't failing to qualify out of that very often. There's also the possibility that having to compete in CONMEBOL would shake the USSF out of its sense of complacency, of course failing to qualify for this year's WC didn't even do that.

    Plus, frankly failing to qualify would be less of a concern from a fan perspective when a) it's a diminished, 48-team tournament and b) you'd have a Copa America right around the corner to look forward to instead of Gold Cups and more Gold Cups.

    Maybe the best way forward is for the US/Mexico/Canada and the Central American countries to join CONMEBOL and the Caribbean to form its own confederation (maybe with Belize as well, which isn't really competitive on the field and has more in common culturally with the English-speaking Caribbean than it does with the rest of CA anyway). A confederation led by Jamaica, T&T, and Haiti wouldn't be any more of a joke than Oceania is.
     
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  9. Robert Borden

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    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Jonathan David goal at 1:40
     
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  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Caribbean has a federation, the Caribbean Football Union.
     
  11. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
    1. Ottawa getting sanctioning for one year was always the likely outcome. Next year will be the big story. I don't think they should be sanctioned again.

    2. I understand the U.S fans frustration with Concacaf competition (although it's very funny saying that given they failed to qualify for the last World Cup). I do believe Canada will be vastly improved going forward with the CPL and some good current young talent which will help improve the region and competition for the USA.
     
  12. Robert Borden

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    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
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    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
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  14. Robert Borden

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    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Alphonso Davies ahead of all of the U23 Bayern Munich players according to the coach
     
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  15. Robert Borden

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    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Arfield instrumental in Rangers win over Celtic. Our midfield is truly solid with him in the national team
     
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  16. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two of the top college soccer CBs for this past season are Canadian, and are projected to go in the draft in a couple weeks (and at least one of them quite high, Callum Montgomery, projected by some to be a day-one MLS starter depending on which team drafts him), so those should be watched closely. CB is likely Canada's biggest organizational weakness at this point, as demonstrated not just at senior level but recently at the CONCACAF U20s. And Tomori is still a possibility, but possible only if Canada qualifies for 2022 and England hasn't cap-tied him by then and Canada offers him a WC ticket. It's too bad for Canada because Tomori is probably better than Carter-Vickers, but Carter-Vickers hit the sweet spot of being good enough for the US but not quite good enough for England. With Tomori being a quality Championship regular at age 20-21, I'm starting to think he may well be good enough for the England senior team eventually.
     
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  17. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Akinola has been discussed some in this thread, but the other main Canada-eligible player in the USYNT system is Chituru Odunze, who plays for the Vancouver Whitecaps and is the #2 goalkeeper for the US U17s.

    Born in England, raised in Canada, and apparently has a Nigerian and an American parent. He's likely going to be part of the upcoming US squad for the U17 CONCACAF Championship. He's a "project" who has work to do in terms of positioning and decision-making, but is 6-foot-7 and has massive wingspan, and at age 16 could still grow more. As one might imagine, he's shown flashes of being very good in the air. I believe he's the tallest player in the current USYNT pool of any position. He was originally at a Canada U-15 identification camp in 2017 before the US found of his eligibility. Canada already has Busti, but Odunze is someone who in the long run could well figure into the Canadian pool behind Busti.
     
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  18. HomietheClown

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    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    6'7" U-17? :eek:
     
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  19. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here is Odunze in the US U17 lineup. The #9, Diego Lopez, is listed as 6-foot-1, so who knows how tall Odunze really is.
    [​IMG]
     
  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    Looks like he is on stilts.


    Are we sure he is u-17? No birth certificate Nigerian funny business going on?
    ;)
     
  21. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah, the ground must be sloping down to the right!
     
  22. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    That Lopez kid can't be 6'1.

    It's not unheard of some athletes adding an inch or 2 to their "stated heights".
     
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  23. Robert Borden

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    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
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  24. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1924 EvanJ, Jan 1, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2019
    This is now moot for 2019, but I want to bring up the American concept of standing to sue, which doesn't apply to soccer, but I want to use it to make my point. Standing to sue means that you can only challenge something if you have been hurt by it. IMO none of Concacaf, CSA, or CPL would have standing to sue (in this case keep Ottawa out of USL) if the CPL would not accept Ottawa immediately. Making Ottawa take a hiatus or play in a level below the CPL would have been unfair.

    Even if Lopez isn't 6'1, Lopez and Odunze could have the same difference between their actual and listed heights.
     
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  25. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    With Besiktas said to go on full rebuild mode and offload most of their talents soon, Cyle Larin will most certainly be loaned. That's the best possible situation for his development.
     
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