What about Central FC in Trinidad and Tobago? At least from what I've picked up on the Soca Warriors forum, it appears that they've aimed for the most professional setup possible. Yeah...there's no way he stays in Orlando at that rate. If OCSC manage to keep him, it'll be because they realized that young, domestic MLS-ready strikers don't grow on trees and they'll get him his (overdue) big payday.
Stay positive! With another win Canada could catch India in the FIFA rankings! It should be noted that Canada is in 15th place in CONCACAF alone according to FIFA rankings. That's a measure of how few games they win that actually mean something [The Caribbean and Central American nations have regional tournaments in which to pick up wins.] From a rankings perspective, they desperately need to beat either Costa Rica or Honduras in the Gold Cup. If they don't, they're going to plummet to uncharted depths.
Well, it's not like I listed every Canada-eligible youth player in a significant foreign academy: ------------------Liam Millar (Liverpool)--------------------------------Ferdi Kadioǧlu (NEC Nijmegen) ----------Cannigia Elva (Stuttgart)--------------------------------------------Tristan Jumeau (Burnley) -------------------Diego Gutierrez (CD Palestino, (Chile)------Zorhan Bassong (Lille) Cristian Gutierrez (Colo Colo)-Kosovare Sadiki (Stoke City)-Fikayo Tomori (Chelsea)-Zack Brault-Guillard (Lyon) ----------------------------------------------Sebastian Breza (Palermo) Bench: F: Jordan Peruzza (Empoli FC), Ugbo Ike (Chelsea); MF: Tristan Borges, (SC Heerenveen), Malyk Hamilton (West Ham United); Massih Wassey, (Borussia Dortmund), Elliott Simmons (Malaga), Josh Doughty, Manchester United (recently cut) D: Joey Cowlishaw, (Chelsea), Alexander Pena, Defensor (Uruguay), Emmanuel Zambazis (Iraklis, Greece) GK: Thomas McGill (Brighton and Hove Albion, England U18), Melvyn Brault-Guillard (Lyon) In my first post, I limited to front 6 players whom I was aware have impressed and are more likely to choose Canada. I tried to cut down on youth team roster filler. Kadioǧlu is a star in the making, but with the Dutch being in a bad state, he's probably headed there. I don't know what the deal with Ike, so I left him "on the bench." The V board lists him as eligible. Not all of them will make it. And some won't choose Canada. But some will. Even a couple succeeding and playing for Canada would be a big help. And we haven't gone through their North American prospects, some of which are their best.
@Ghost, I've been pretty vocal about thinking that Canada could definitely improve on how they've usually done, but better than us is a big stretch.
Yeah, probably right assessment of the situation. Canada is not likely to overtake USA anytime soon, and USA is not likely to be main WC favorite any time soon either...
I think Canandian MLS Academies are starting to show some special talent. Tabla with Montreal, Davies with Vancouver and Edwards with Toronto are alittle more special than previous players. Interesting 2 are foreign born. What ever happened to Alleman? I think was his name. Was with Vancouver but didn't want to play with the reserves...I vaguely remember him be a really good Canadian youth player.
Yup. This is undoubtedly true. Canada has always had a handful of really good players, though. They've won more Gold Cups than Costa Rica, Honduras, Jamaica, Panama, Trinidad & Tobago, El Salvador, and Guatemala combined.................... [A silly statistic, but true nonetheless ] Before Larin, they've had MLS Best XI-caliber players like De Rosario, Onstad, etc. They've never been devoid of talent. The problem for Canada is they're not going to catch the US, Mexico, and Central American powers right now with only three MLS academies, etc. Part of that is that the US, Mexico, and the Central American powers are improving. Its a moving target. They're just not building up enough depth in their national team-caliber playing pool. And, of course, they have the dual-national problem. Like the US, many of their prospects are dual-nationals. Since Canada can't get itself out of the doldrums, they have a harder time convincing a dual-national to play for them than the Americans do. Will the Canadian equivalent of Gedion Zelalem switch to play for Canada? They had enough trouble trying to convince the son of a Canadian legend to play for them (Bunbury). You get the sense that if the Canadians can just get over the hump and qualify for a World Cup, that they could start to gain some momentum. It just seems like they keep getting in their own way. The CSA seems to be even more incompetent than the USSF. Hosting the World Cup will help, but only so much. Cuz according to the proposals, very few games will actually be in Canada.
That, and we still have to find out if FIFA will even let Canada qualify automatically. If not, then Canada would potentially become the first host ever to fail to play in its own World Cup But on the development front, the new Canadian Premier League should help significantly.
India passed Canada. India is tied for 100th after being tied for 162nd last May. Since last May, India has won all 6 of their games, but their best opponent was Puerto Rico who's tied for 152nd, and the FIFA Rankings have the same strength of opponent rating for all teams 150th or worse. FIFA likes India much better than ELO who has India in 170th. ELO likes Canada better than FIFA. Canada is 6th in CONCACAF and 77th in the world in ELO.
We as fans view Canada more in that 77th range, as in the ELO rankings..............but that's based on the eye test. Based on wins in games that actually matter Canada truly has little to show for itself. How many games has Canada won in the last 3 Gold Cups? Its depressing reading...................... 2016 Copa Centenario: Didn't qualify 2015 Gold Cup: El Salvador 0 Canada 0 Jamaica 1 Canada 0 Costa Rica 0 Canada 0 2013 Gold Cup: Martinique 1 Canada 0 Mexico 2 Canada 0 Panama 0 Canada 0 2011 Gold Cup USA 2 Canada 0 Guadeloupe 0 Canada 1 Panama 1 Canada 1 So in the last three Gold Cups combined they've won one Gold Cup match, and that was against non-FIFA member Guadeloupe. The even more depressing viewing is that during those three Gold Cups IN TOTAL they've scored 2 goals. The two goals were both penalties from Dwayne DeRosario. So they haven't scored a goal from the run of play since 2009. When was the last time Canada actually won a knockout game at the Gold Cup? That's gonna make us go even farther back in time. That would be, I think, 2007 when they beat Guatemala 3-0 in the first knockout stage (Before losing a highly contested match against the US 2-1 in the quarterfinals. Canada could easily have won that game). That win over Guatemala is the only knockout win in the Gold Cup they've had in the last 15 years.
He'll be gone by the start of the 2nd week of July. $8 million and he's off. Very curious as to where he ends up.
Been away from Bigsoccer for a bit, but wanted to address the US-Canada comparison of young talent. Here is the young talent born between 1995-2003 who have been in camp with or capped by US Soccer (mostly at youth level, a few at MNT level) and are playing in Europe. Note that these players have actually worn a US Soccer shirt, beyond merely being eligible. GK: Ethan Horvath (Club Brugge, Belgium), Justin Vom Steeg (Fortuna Dusseldorf II, Germany), Will Pulisic (Borussia Dortmund U19, Germany), Brandon Austin (Tottenham Hotspur U23, England), C.J. Dos Santos (Benfica U17, Portugal), Nicolas Defreitas-Hansen (Everton U16, England) FB: Desevio Payne (Groningen, Netherlands), Shaq Moore (Levante Atletico, Spain), Antonee Robinson (Everton U23, England), Kyle Duncan (Valenciennes II, France), Matt Olosunde (Manchester United U23, England), Toni Suddoth (VfB Stuttgart U19, Germany), Marlon Fossey (Fulham U23, England), Corey Anton (Kaiserslautern U19, Germany), Sergino Dest (Ajax U17, Netherlands), Elias Thomas (Wolfsburg U16, Germany) CB: Matt Miazga (Vitesse on loan from Chelsea, Netherlands/England) Cameron Carter-Vickers (Tottenham Hotspur, England), Danny Barbir (West Bromwich Albion U23, England), Kyle Gruno (Leicester City U18, England), Sebastian Serpa (Bari U17, Italy) CM: Russell Canouse (Bochum on loan from Hoffenheim, Germany), Emerson Hyndman (Rangers on loan from Bournemouth, Scotland/England), Omar Castro (Eintracht Braunschweig II, Germany), Gedion Zelalem (Venlo on loan from Arsenal, Netherlands/England), Keaton Parks (Varzim, Portugal), Ander Egiluz (Athletic Bilbao U19, Spain), Weston McKennie (Schalke U19, Germany), Sebastian des Pres (Blackpool, England), Nicholas Pergjini (Troyes U19, France), Callum Stretch (Aston Villa U18, England), Ben Lederman (Barcelona U17, Spain), Ian Hoffmann (Karlsruher U16, Germany), Max Goeggel (VfB Stuttgart U15, Germany) CAM: Lynden Gooch (Sunderland, England), Joel Sonora (VfB Stuttgart II, Germany), James Murphy (Sheffield Wednesday, England), Kyle Scott (Chelsea U23, England), Kevin Coleman (Kaiserslautern U19, Germany), Luca de la Torre (Fulham, England), Christian Pulisic (Borussia Dortmund, Germany), Nick Taitague (Schalke U19, Germany), Malik Tillman (Bayern Munich U15, Germany) WM/winger: Gboly Ariyibi (Nottingham Forest, England), Julian Green (VfB Stuttgart, Germany), Mukwelle Akale (Villarreal C, Spain), Stephen Payne (Estoril Praia II, Portugal), Joshua Perez (Fiorentina, Italy), Kai Koreniuk (Vitesse II, Netherlands), Isaiah Young (Werder Bremen U19, Germany), Kevin Lankford (Heidenheim, Germany), Paolo Urso (Genoa U19, Italy), Lateef Omidiji (Feyenoord U15, Netherlands) FW/striker: Rubio Rubin (Silkeborg, Denmark), Andrija Novakovich (Reading U23, England), Brooks Lennon (Real Salt Lake on loan from Liverpool, USA/England), Emmanuel Sabbi (Las Palmas Atletico, Spain), McKinze Gaines (Wolfsburg U19, Germany), Haji Wright (Schalke U19, Germany), Nebiyou Perry (AIK Stockholm U19, Sweden), Cody Sundquist (Fiorentina U19, Italy), Nicolas Garcia-Morillo (Atletico Madrid U17, Spain), Timothy Weah (Paris Saint-Germain U19, France), Konrad de la Fuente (Barcelona U16, Spain), Joshua Pynadath (Ajax U15, Netherlands) (Don't worry, this didn't take forever to write, I copied and pasted it from a player list I maintain) And none of this includes the top talents currently playing domestically, such as Tyler Adams, Andrew Carleton, Erik Palmer-Brown, Brady Scott, Paxton Pomykal, Josh Sargent, John Hilton, ad nauseum, who have already played or trialed with top clubs in Europe and will likely move abroad eventually. Nor does this include the Mexican-American talents who are being fought over between the USSF and FMF. There are also a few US Soccer-capped youth players in Argentina, Brazil, and Peru. And there are talented American-eligible dual-nationals with European clubs and playing for major European countries, who could very possibly switch to the US down the road. Canada does have some promising young talent, but they don't have an 18-yo with Dortmund's first team, a 19-yo with Tottenham's first team, a 21-yo starting in goal for Club Brugge, an 18-yo who is Schalke's best youth player, a 17-yo playing up an age group at PSG, a 15-yo who stands out from his peers at his age level at Barcelona. And the comparison of US and Canada results at the recent CONCACAF U20 and U17 Championships speak for themselves.
MLSsoccer.com reported in March that the Canadian international’s contract runs through 2018 with Orlando holding options for the 2019 and 2020 seasons. Also the amount OCFC recoups of any transfer fee on a GenAd player is dependent on the length of service per MLS, one year of service time gets you a third, two years means half, and selling a player with at least three years of service times generates two thirds of the fee for the club. So OCFC both has time and incentive to wait until after this season potentially even after 2018 season depending on the options in the contract. https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017...ew-mls-roster-info-ocscs-incentive-keep-larin
The most professional setup possible in this case is still semi-professional by any reasonable standard. We're talking $750/month for experience senior internationals here. It isn't even USL money (and, even adjusting for the relative cost of living, it's not really that livable).
No need to take potshots at one another. Canada's success is our success. Same as the rise of Costa Rica and Honduras gives the region a higher profile and more credibility beyond Mexico or USA.
After Bradley signed with TFC they thought there was nothing else to accomplish as a soccer nation. So the national team funds go to skateboard hockey now.
http://www.fussballtransfers.com/bundesliga/m-gladbach-funf-abgange-gehandelt-acht-neuzugange_77466 That'd be a nice move.
would be nice sure, but does he fit. Not convinced. I think Larin would fit better somewhere else over Gladbach.
Nobody has suggested that. But we've made the QF's. And our talent's clearly on the rise. We have a shot. Maybe not in 10 years, but there's a chance that we'll have a shot in 10 years. Does Mexico have a shot? Uruguay? Ghana? The Netherlands? Belgium?
Actually, any team that plays has a shot. As long as you play, you can win. Chances are not so good for some though, but I think for example 2022 WC can a bit flatten these, since no one is really experienced in playing in such time and conditions.