What if our best athletes gave up football before their senior years and picked up soccer?

Discussion in 'College & Amateur Soccer' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    That appears to be what happened to Cameron Miller:

    The latest stunner came in the form of a recent text message from a coach in Grayson.

    The Ashland senior had his sights set on Western Kentucky University for this fall until his phone buzzed.

    “KCU’s soccer coach (Jeremy Miller) texted me and asked me to come up to a tryout,” Cameron Miller said. “I went up there, practiced with them two times, and I guess I did pretty good, thankfully.”

    Miller signed a letter of intent with KCU on Friday in the Ashland Blazer cafeteria.

    Miller grew up playing football, but he won’t be mistaken for a lineman. However, he experienced sort of an epiphany prior to his senior year that he should attempt a different path — futbol instead of football.

    “I was like, you know what? It’s my last year, let’s try something new,” Miller said.
    http://www.dailyindependent.com/spo...cle_ed37f1a4-5e3d-11e8-9466-2bfca247a6e6.html

    KCU is NAIA Kentucky Christian, which had a winning record last season.

    http://www.kcuknights.com/sport/0/4.php
     
  2. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    If I understand your question correctly, it would push college soccer in the wrong direction. Still happy to wish young Miller the best of luck.
     
  3. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    The question was not meant to be understood correctly, incorrectly, or, frankly, given any serious consideration at all. As is the case with many of my posts.
     
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  4. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    You believe what you want. You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine. :p
     
  5. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    What wrong direction?
     
  6. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    A comprehensive answer would take more time than I have, but college soccer does not have a shortage of athletic players, nor of 'good-sized' players. It does, however, have a shortage of players with elite skills (and of coaches who can coach as well as {they} recruit). It also has a three-time defending champion that uses the rules of the game to push its own brutish style of play.

    The problem is - and this is not unique to college soccer - you can win many games (and even championships) merely by being physically dominant, particularly if the (rules and) referees are lenient.

    What we need more of - at all levels of soccer in the US - are players who come to the game early, not late, who develop skills and learn the subtleties of the game, formations, tactics, etc. And yes, to compete successfully, these players will need to be fast and strong, tough and competitive - in a word, athletic.
     
  7. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    The player in question was not athletic?
     
  8. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    No, he was too athletic. I teach remedial reading, by the way, in case you're interested.
     
  9. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Ah, "too" athletic. Of course -- why would we want athletic athletes?
     
  10. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    My offer still stands, but first I would encourage you to read the original article ...
     
  11. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    I did already.

    Do you feel that engaging in personal attacks will hide the emptiness of your argument?
     
  12. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    What personal attack?
     
  13. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Still empty.
     
  14. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    You said it!
     
  15. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    C'mon college soccer. You can't come soon enough.
     
  16. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    But what if our best accountants all played college soccer?

    Shouldn’t that be discussed?
     
  17. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Reading the replies to this thread, one can't help wondering if American Soccer Is At A Crossroads.
     
  18. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. Kentucky Christian is not NAIA in soccer. The athletic program only plays NAIA in football. They are a member of the NCCAA (National Christian College Athletic Association) Division II. Which means they can only participate in NCCAA DII and they do not give athletic scholarships.

    Not sure if you are tied to this individual or not, but KCU is not a high level soccer program.
     
  19. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Thanks, I did not realize that.

    I am not. I had never heard of the player or the school before starting this thread. I saw an article I thought mildly interesting and germane to this forum and put up a short post about it, as is my wont.
     
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  20. FourDGlory

    FourDGlory New Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jun 28, 2018
    You cannot "switch" to soccer in High School and become great. Soccer skills are taught at a young age and if you do not have those technical skills at a young age you cannot develop them in high school no matter how much you try.

    Give me one example of a professional soccer player who "picked up the game" beyond 13 years old.

    Lacrosse and Football are games you can pick up in high school. Not soccer.
     
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  21. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Many young soccer players "switch" to a different sport after 6-8 years of soccer training when they face the reality that one of their other sports (baseball, basketball, and wrestling in my direct experience) requires too much time to allow full-time soccer training as well. One of those players could drop the other sport in favor of soccer later in high school and do well.

    Our local club provided both competitive teams from U8 to U20, and also a recreational program from U6 to U19 (August to November only, limited practice time and game schedule, unpaid coaches, cost about $120/yr with unlimited scholarships). The best player in the rec program had been recruited for years by the competitive program coaches, but his father was a former MLB [player and he had the kid on a year-round baseball training program in which soccer was just for conditioning and social life.
     
  22. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    #22 Terrier1966, Jun 30, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2018
    In my view, strikers and keepers are born...if you are a top striker you play soccer.

    If you could be a very good midfielder or back, there isn’t a lot of glory...not a lot of pub in the school paper (assuming they still have any) and not a lot of chances to have your name in the box score.

    What I have seen, across several players and sports, is soccer is a lot harder as you get older and it isn’t that much fun to run 6 miles in a game when the only people who appreciate what you do are a handful of knowledgeable folks.

    There are a lot of knocks and pain in soccer and only a few subs...it is a lot of work and commitment if it isn’t your primary sport or you aren’t a ‘player’
     
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  23. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
  24. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Perhaps the ‘asker’ shouldn’t have said “show me one”...but the point is still valid.

    The game is too deep for any volume of players to succeed on sheer athleticism.

    Cruz isn’t a great example, his game was one dimensional...nobody ever said he didn’t give it 100% every minute but he lacked creativity.

    Having watched him with the Union, I now understand why he wasn’t more successful.

    If I could find the fan comments on his play in Philly they would be largely explained by his lack of fundamental development and a reliance on running fast and looking committed. Sound and fury.

    That those attributes put him on the U17 team is more of a reflection on the selection process.
     
  25. FourDGlory

    FourDGlory New Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jun 28, 2018
    Sandon, you got me. Danny Cruz is the one example. I'm glad you went back to 1972 for the 2nd example. Even he played soccer with a youth club however. So, it is possible, but extremely unlikely and rare.
    I don't see that having kids switch sports to soccer in high school as a valid strategy to help our National team or even a way to get college scholarships.
    Mu point still stands; we need to develop our kids starting at 4-5 (playing various sports as well), in order to help develop our best players.
    Thank you for the Danny Cruz story however.
     
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