West Ham vs Liverpool FC - EPL - Nov 4 [R]

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  1. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Klopp looks like a genius for signing Salah.
     
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  2. Lemmyfaith

    Lemmyfaith Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    Milner misses a good chance.
     
  3. Lemmyfaith

    Lemmyfaith Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    Lovren on for Firmino, Solanke on for Ox.
     
  4. Lemmyfaith

    Lemmyfaith Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    4-1, huge 3 points and plus 3 on the goal difference. Could have scored more.
     
  5. liverbird

    liverbird BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 29, 2000
    Mars
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    DC United
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    United States
    FT 4-1 to Liverpool.

    MOTM Mo Salah. 2 great goals and an assist

    But Can was incredible in the middle. Stepped up and managed Big Andy too.

    Mane returns and gets two assists while never really getting out of second gear

    Ox - this was his chance and he took it well. Got the goal we needed. Defended and passed well

    Gini — the glue

    Hard Bobby. Tackles , headers, punishing runs and he made a goal for OX

    Back four did a very solid job of staying organized. Pity that a bit of Lanzini magic kept us from a clean sheet

    Mignolet played OK in his debut at captain.

    Solanke, Lovren, and Milner had little to appraise

    3 points. 10 goals scored and 1 conceded in 3 games this week. YNWA
     
  6. Suss

    Suss Moderator
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    Aug 11, 2003
    New York
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    Liverpool FC
    Salah has been brilliant. I don’t think it’s been said enough. I remember saying last season that we needed another Mane. We have now got one in Salah. The two of them in the same team is absolutely electric.

    Still have Coutinho and Lallana to return. Our attacking options will be mouthwatering.
     
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  7. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    That 4 man stay at home back line worked well. The speed of Mo and Mane' with the support from midfield left the fullbacks to defend.
    Two nice goal around the 20 minutes mark let us go into a game management mode. Controlling the midfield and the ball.
    After the half they expected great things from Carol but it was the sly dig at Gomez that gave them their goal. Gomez was just ready to jump for the ball when he was caught off ballance, goal.
    Immediate responce from the Ox and we're back 2 clear.
    From then we just ran the game out with another cracking shot from Mo.
    Then lots of short passing practice in their area. I felt we were good for another goal or two.
     
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  8. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
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    Liverpool FC
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    England
    That's the match I saw in a bar in Shepherd's Bush while the missus was getting her hair done. About time we stopped halting out-of-form teams' downward spiral. Still a bit of a dishevelled performance but I'll take four goals and three points.
     
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  9. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    great performance all round. very good 3 points. shame we didn't get a clean sheet.

    (I hope I'm not talking too soon, but I've stopped hiding behind the couch when the oppo get a corner.)
     
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  10. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    Salah's close control, ability to turn in tight spaces, and get off a powerful shot - all things that are incredible and are light years ahead of where he was when we wanted him 4 years ago.
     
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  11. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    United States
    Btw - it might have been noted - before our goal, we were on the back foot - a fairly disjointed and low energy effort. After the goal we - started playing smarter, especially after the quick 2nd.

    Can played well - and I'm sorry that he refuses to sign a new contract (we won't meet his demands) - but I think we can replace him without too much difficulty. Just sucks when you help a young player grow and he bolts.
     
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  12. LorneMarvello

    LorneMarvello Member+

    Jul 1, 2014
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    Great Result today
     
  13. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    • For the 14th time under Jurgen Klopp, Liverpool have scored four goals in a single Premier League game - only Manchester City (16) and Tottenham Hotspur (16) have done so on more occasions in this period.
    • Mohamed Salah has scored or assisted nine goals in his first 11 Premier League games for Liverpool (seven goals, two assists); only Daniel Sturridge has been directly involved in more after 11 games (10).
    • Indeed, no player has scored more goals after 11 Premier League games than the Egyptian (seven - level with team-mate Sturridge).
    • Sadio Mane assisted twice on his comeback from injury; no Liverpool player has been directly involved in more league goals since his debut in August 2016 (23 - 16 goals, seven assists).
     
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  14. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
    SoCal
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Drooling:sneaky:
     
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  15. ryered

    ryered Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    Hill Country
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    Liverpool FC
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    --other--
    Great win! Couldn't watch this due to work today but am dialing up the replays.
     
  16. ryered

    ryered Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
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    Watched the highlights, wow Mane makes such a dramatic impact for us. And yes Salah has beena brilliant signing. I'm confident Herr Doktor can ake Oxlaid-Chamberlain a lot better as he has Moreno. Hope we can keep this going, we can pick up some lost ground on Arse and Chelski.
     
  17. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
    SoCal
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Arsenal plays Spurns next and Liverpool plays 'Aints. Could be alone in 5th. Onward and upward.
     
  18. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...en-klopp-flexible-thinking-liverpool-west-ham

    Jürgen Klopp can occasionally not answer the question posed to him, and he was at it again after Liverpool’s 4-1 victory against West Ham United. Asked by a reporter to assess the contributions of Sadio Mané and Mohamed Salah, both of whom were excellent on a chilly evening in east London, Klopp decided instead to tell “the story of the game”, a blow‑by‑blow account of proceedings that lasted for four minutes.

    It was a somewhat rambling response but, as is often the case with Klopp, also illuminating, and in this instance no more so than when the German spoke about Liverpool’s tactical plan for this fixture. “We changed the system,” he said. “The 4-4-2, which looked from the beginning a very offensive line-up, we had a different idea, we wanted to defend deeper, more compact.”
    The explanation caught the attention not only because of the insight it offered but also because it pointed towards a potentially significant evolution in Liverpool’s development. Here was a new system deployed with the intent of making the team hard to break down – “defend deeper”, “compact”; words you do not often hear from a manager renowned for setting up his side to be on the front foot from the outset.

    That has sometimes been Liverpool’s undoing under Klopp, seen most obviously in their recent defeat to Tottenham Hotspur, but here there was no chance of a repeat – partly due to the opposition being glaringly inferior but also because of Liverpool’s out-of-possession shape; two good old-fashioned banks of four, close together, cautious. Compact.

    When Liverpool then pressed and countered, it was not only fast but also imaginative. Their shape went to a 4-2-4 in a blink of an eye, even sometimes a 2-4-4 with the full-backs, Joe Gomez and Alberto Moreno, lined up alongside the two central midfielders, Georginio Wijnaldum and Emre Can, as Liverpool’s front four of Mané, Roberto Firmino, Salah and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain went for the kill, often rotating positions as they did so. During the first half in particular, West Ham were left confused and overrun in a manner that bore the hallmarks of Borussia Dortmund at their peak under Klopp.

    It would be foolish to get carried away – this Liverpool side are not yet that Dortmund side and West Ham really were poor, delivering the type of display that makes it impossible to see Slaven Bilic continuing as manager. Nevertheless, Liverpool’s approach was striking and came at a notable time.

    For it was exactly 12 months ago – Sunday 6 November 2016, to be precise – that they last topped the Premier League, having beaten Watford 6-1 at Anfield.

    That was meant to mark lift-off for Klopp’s team but instead they slipped to second after their next fixture and have not returned to the summit since, with this campaign marked by the type of results and displays that suggest the team are going backwards under the man they hired 25 months ago.

    The statistics bear that out. After the Watford game, which was their 11th of the 2016-17 season, Liverpool had 26 points, had scored 30 goals and conceded 14. At the same stage of this campaign they have 19 points, have scored 21 goals and conceded 17. According to Opta, they are also down in other areas, including possession (59.5% this season compared to 61.2% last), tackles success rate (18.1% compared to 19.1%), and big-chance conversion (46.7% compared to 60.7%).

    And 12 months on from being leaders, Liverpool are sixth and 12 points behind the pace-setters, Manchester City. That already looks an insurmountable gap for a club craving a first championship since 1990.

    Hence scepticism regarding the job Klopp is doing, yet given the way City have begun it is unlikely any side will stop them claiming the title. Also, it should be remembered Klopp is navigating his side through a Champions League as well as domestic programme this season, and sitting top of Group E with eight points after four fixtures, Liverpool look well placed to progress to the knockout stages.

    Then there is the team. Deficiencies remain, and in that regard the failure to acquire another centre-back during the summer remains naive bordering on negligent. But overall since Klopp arrived, Liverpool have purchased well and in Salah have arguably the signing of the season. The Egyptian has not only provided pace and energy since arriving from Roma for £36.9m but also goals, with the two he got at West Ham taking his tally to 12 in 17 appearances. This is a winger, remember.

    Mané, who assisted Salah’s two goals, with Joël Matip and Oxlade-Chamberlain also getting on the scoresheet, looks up to speed after his earlier than expected return from injury and with Philippe Coutinho and Adam Lallana expected to return after the international break, Liverpool will only become more dangerous going forward. From a defensive point of view, it should also be noted that this is a team that, relatively, do not concede many chances.

    So it is not all bad, with the tactics deployed by Klopp on Saturday hinting at the next stage of a plan being put in place. Liverpool may not be where they want to be, but neither are they necessarily too far off.
     
  19. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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  20. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    Liverpool FC
    A few more .......

     
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  21. ryered

    ryered Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    Hill Country
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
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    --other--
    Just watched that break out for the first goal again. It looked like they had sped up the feed when Mo, Mane and Ox bore down on the West Ham goal. Man, we are getting some real pace in this side.
     
  22. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    Liverpool FC
    bloody hilarious - ta, delay! :p:p:p
     

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