The problem for his style of game is that his legs are gone and he is always just that bit slow in the challenge or unable to be that dynamic influence like he used to. You could first see it vs Rakitic / Barca a couple of seasons ago. In theory if he could just get match fit and have a run of games he could get back but he does not seem to be able to physically put that together which is exactly why Bayern replaced him with Vidal - a more physically imposing CM. It also needs to be remembered that International football is a lower standard than club football.
If Mario G had not scored that wonder goal, no one would even remember Schweini's performance which largely became a narrative thanks to Argentina's thuggery in extra time. Kroos vs France this year was a much more dominant performance IMO
See your post is strange. First time around you didn't mention anything about being truly worthy of MUFC. But now that you've been corrected by James you move change or add on to what was originally said. Okay even if we want to go that route, name one performance Bastian has put in (since he's been here) that shows him worthy of this club? At least Fellaini has a handful of vital tying or winning goals to his name. Then you compare to sub cameos. Bastions less than 10 minutes? What does that achieve? Bastian hasn't proven anything on the pitch for this club. To say otherwise is fallacy. Mind you I want both players gone anyway. Neither is good enough.
I'll have to go through the last few posts to see how any of what you just wrote makes any sense. My point is fairly straightforward: Schweinsteiger > Fellaini. I struggle to see the basis upon which that opinion is erroneous. As for your last point -- that both should be sent away -- I agree with that. We're not going to win the prem or CL trophies season (for obvious reasons) and United need to look to rebuilding the squad so that we can lift major trophies next season. We have several old and/or nonproducing players. They are, in no particular order: Rooney Young Carrick Fellaini Schweinsteiger Valencia Ibrahimovic Apart from Rooney due to his contract, it's inconceivable that any of those players will be at OT two seasons from now. Rooney's contract runs out at the end of the 18-19 season I believe, but don't quote me on that. But putting the Rooney problem aside, the only two players of that group who probably should still be on the squad next season are Valencia and Ibrahimovic. Even Carrick, who at times is still majestic, has to be at the end of his rope when this season ends, although keeping him on as a Giggsian "presence" next season just might be a good idea. Young should be let go. And yes, Bastian and Maroune should be let go at the end of the season as well. The former is a vastly better player than the latter, but United is a club that needs speed and energy in midfield, and neither offer that now. But between now and the end of the season Schweinsteiger would give us far more effectively play (see the last five minutes of the West Ham match) than Fellaini, which I acknowledge that might not be saying much.
there are a lot of posters here who seem to celebrate 'dominance' in loss. i don't understand it either. you can not have a dominate performance in a 1-0 loss. a striker can have a dominate performance in a 4-3 loss, 5-4 loss, etc... but it is very hard for midfielders to have dominant performances and lose the game - mainly because the team that wins the midfield is usually the team that wins the game.
Did you even watch the game? France went ahead on a penalty on an error rather than winning any midfield battle Kroos turned in one of his best ever performances
yes i did. the game was drab. that was not one of kroos' best ever performances. players of kroos' quality don't lose games when they turn in a top 10 performance of their career.
Kroos had a decent game, especially in the first half. But just like it can't be said about Schweinsteiger efficient display vs Argentina in the WC final that it was vintage or nowhere near his best one, the same applies to Kroos in that game vs France. Seriously, if that was his best (or one of his best performances ever), the bar is relatively low for a guy considered as one of the best mids in the game at the moment.
It was a game where Germany dominated midfield - but Piggy's error threw the game away as France didn't have to do anything after that and Germany continued to struggle with no 9 http://www.zonalmarking.net/2016/07...rmation-decisions-enable-germany-to-dominate/ Anyway - Piggy was shit in that game The idea he is relevant for you is stretching it. And So that is the trouble with scoreboard journalism and game states Kroos dominated the game - but Piggy tossed it on the fire because he is physically not up to it
As mentioned, Kroos did have a pretty good game and was inflential in Germany's midfield. That's not in question here (nor Germany's clear control and domination of the game, particularly in the first half): the goalposts don't need to be moved here. The point that is being debated, was whether this ranks as one of Kroos's best or one of the best of all time. The answer is clearly no on both counts.
No All Time performances (which I completely agree with) yet it's one of Kroos's best. I guess now I'm really confused...
I think Kroos would only now be entering contention as an All Timer as far as german midfielders go Piggy would not even make the list IMO And Euro 2016 was one of the worst quality tourneys I have ever seen Would you rank even one of the games/performances as ATG?
Who's arguing that Euro 2016 was poor and very disappointing? Schweinsteiger is not the topic of discussion right at this moment. So I'm really not sure what those points have to do with Kroos's display vs France, which I believe was good, but in no way was even close to his very best or in the discussion for All Time German (or otherwise) midfield performances ever.
I thought he turned in a wonderful performance - in keeping with his development into one of the best CMs in the modern game. But its in the context of a shit game vs a poor french team - one that does not deserve to be discussed in terms of the great french teams of 10-15 years ago. So you couldn't compare it to his own games vs elite opposition or other german midfielders of the past Especially the French midfield was awful hence why Kroos and Ozil dominated
We may differentiate on the wording, and I guess that's fine. But the bottom line remains that there is simply no way I will consider this as an "All Time" performance. There are more than enough unquestionable dominant and elite midfield performances from German midfielders from Spain 82 (the first WC I've seen as a kid) until now, that choosing Kroos's one vs France last year is a poor example of one in my opinion, even if I do agree he had a good game that day (especially in the first half)...
Schweinsteiger named MOTM against Wigan: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...r-united-news-bastian-schweinsteiger-12524904 The previous point, that Schweinsteiger is vastly superior to Fellaini, is beyond any debate. True, the opponent yesterday was lowly Wigan. But it's also true that Fellaini was in midseason form and that this was Schweinsteiger's first start in over a year. Yet Bastian outclassed Marouane.
It's not hard to outclass Fellaini as a midfielder to be fair. But yeah Schwein was fine. There are games for him to play throughout this season, whether it's lower class EPL teams, or possibly a Europa League tie. And at the end of the year he and Wazza can head to the MLS.
Don't know how he won mom, he was ass for 45 minutes and couldn't win a tackle or even run back. He slowed the game down, but not for our benefit.
He won the MotM award, perhaps because as stated yesterday, from the end of the first period on, he undeniably put his stamp on and effectively ran the game. Despite what was an iffy start: it seems obvious enough that what matters most is how one finishes a game, as opposed to how he started it...