Welcome Mesut Ozil! The Gunners nation salute you!

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  1. DaPrince84

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    Aug 22, 2001
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    Ramsey had his breakout season during Özil's first season.

    Personally think the Alexis signing was the sign that Wenger had no plan.
     
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  2. The Jitty Slitter

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    Ramsey's problems are more about lack of development IMO

    There is no elite CM at Arsenal for him to learn from, and Wenger doesn't understand modern CM play
     
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  3. DaPrince84

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    It's not just that but there is no evidence Wenger has ever been good at developing young central midfielders, and now he may be harming them.
     
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  4. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    How much time would they be getting if he'd been successful in his persuit of Perisic?
     
  5. total_football

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    Martin Keown: Ozil on strike.

     
  6. footykid

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    I wouldn't be surprised.
     
  7. DaPrince84

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    Keown has never liked Ozil and got mad when Ozil wrote that letter telling him to do one.

    I think the club wants Ozil out but I have a hard time he going on strike (he not in the German squad either). I especially have doubts coming from Keown.
     
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  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    The club is briefing against Ozil to make him the bad guy - its the usual cynicism from Wenger.

    Remember the first version of the story was that Wenger was punishing Ozil and teaching him a lesson

    And now Ozil is on strike

    Meanwhile Ozil has been left out of the German squad as apparently he is trying to recover from a knee injury.

    So unless you believe Jogi Loew is also punishing Ozil (a player he always calls up) then this is so much BS

    But it rather shows Wenger's ongoing failures and how he prioritises himself over the team.
     
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  9. footykid

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    It can plausibly be both. Personally I wouldn't risk aggrevating an injury 3 months before I can possibly sign the most lucrative contract of my life. I love playing football but you gotta get paid.
     
  10. DaPrince84

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    Totally. I actually dont think Ozil is all the way checked in as well.

    Saying that, I do not trust Martin Keown. He has a bone to pick with Ozil, and has had that issue since he arrived at Arsenal.

    If Ian Wright said it, I would give it more validity.
     
  11. footykid

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    Ozil seems like a chill dude. But, like most extremely clever people I doubt he is going to give the effort if he's made his mind up. I might just be projecting though.

    Sanchez seems like a more straight forward personality.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    I have no doubt he is checked out and has been since feb when negotiations ended - though his stats are still good till now.

    But he is clearly injured or he would be called up by germany.

    he travels to meet up with the german team even if not match fit in the past.
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    If he was anywhere near fit he'd be with the german squad.

    Loew doesn't care about what happens at Arsenal.

    So he must have a real injury to be excused at least meeting up with the squad
     
  14. NorthBank

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    Whoa, that's strong stuff! Even from a conspiracy theorist like yourself. ;)

    As much as I like Martin Keown, I don't necessarily think he's the journalist mouthpiece of the club. Maybe David Ornstein is the closest thing to that. But not Martin I think, who talks some sh1t sometimes.

    Indeed something a little odd is going on with Mezut recently, but it wouldn't be the first time that happened during his Arsenal career. He's had significant, and sometimes prolonged, down spells. And whether those times are more physical or psychological, I'm not sure anyone truly knows.

    In any case, I don't know why it's so implausible (to you & Keown) that he's actually got a little injury (knee or whatever) that is what's keeping him out of both Arsenal & Germany squads.
     
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  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    I don't think it's implausibale

    He has a knee injury and that's why he's not called up for Germany.

    He's not being punished by Wenger and nor is he on strike.
     
  16. NorthBank

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    Sorry, I must've misread your first post on this. We're in agreement then. The punishment stories and Keown comments are just bullsh1t. Mezut's probably really injured.

    We can only hope that he makes a speedy recovery physically, as well as having his mentality just right to contribute his unquestionable skills, into whatever line-up Wenger decides to put him into.

    Normal service resumed. ;)
     
  17. total_football

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    Somethings up because he didn’t sign a contract clearly he is being phased out. Which is OK. If they don’t want to play for us they can go and good luck to them on their new endeavors. Have a nice year riding the bench.
     
  18. NorthBank

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    Don't think that's how the boss really thinks or works. Wenger wants to win. If Ozil can help us do that, he'll play. As long as he isn't "causing trouble in the locker room"
     
  19. mebeSajid

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    The World Cup is next summer, and the German NT is stacked. Ozil's not going to go on strike if it jeopardizes his chances of playing in the World Cup.
     
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  20. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    Why would he go on strike? He didn't agitate for a move and he is going to want to showcase himself, both for his place in the German National Team and for his next contract. In addition, to go on strike by feigning a chronic knee injury would almost certainly reduce his market value.
     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    Arsenal routinely lies to the fans to cover for managerial and C-level incompetence

    Remember that Ozil was supposedly re-upping if Wenger signed an extension :rolleyes:

    But then we found out talks collapsed in February - not coincidentally a time when the team was hot garbage.

    Then in summer we were told there was no interest in Ozil.

    Then the second Ozil announces his exit to Bild, "suddenly" he is persistently linked to Man Utd.

    Then Wumger was punishing Ozil, and then allegedly Ozil is on strike.

    All stuff designed to smear the player and take attention away from how Wumger has frittered away an elite player and flushed 50m down the toilet.

    Ozil will be demonised like RvP.

    But really will he care?

    The stupid thing is he he made it clear in the last 2 years that he did want to stay.
     
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  22. NorthBank

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    Jitty you seem to operate under the assumption that every story or rumor that you hear about Arsenal, actually originates from Arsenal.
     
  23. total_football

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    Now we get word, from his agent, that Ozil could re-sign. I think he found out that no one else is willing to match his wage demands —apparently Hazard is reupping at Chelsea for even LESS than what Ozil is demanding .

    Presumably United could easily meet his demands, if Mou wants him, next season.

    He can go, Sanchez can go. I’ve stopped caring about these two
     
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  24. thebigman

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    May 25, 2006
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    Agree

    Both great players but they need to move on as suggested by their quotes or action on the pitch

    Ozil has been out of form for a while
     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

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