Welcome Marco Asensio

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  1. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
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    One is a striker, one is a midfielder/forward. They don't compete for the same minutes. Mbappe would have taken minutes away from Benzema.
     
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  2. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
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    Mbappe at Monaco - striker is Falcao
    Mbappe at PSG - striker is Cavani

    Forcing Mbappe to play centre foward with two wingers would be a complete waste of his talent as he wont be having the space needed to create plays and be dangerous.

    Asensio is not a midfield.. when he came here most thought he would be taking Ronaldo’s role in the future.
     
  3. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
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    He played as a second striker in Monaco (it can happen you know!) and is playing off on the right with PSG. In both scenarios, that is not a position Asensio would occupy. And you're speaking as if the striker in our current formation is one that is sitting in the box and playing as a target man.
     
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  4. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
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    Regardless if he is the exact same position as Asensio or not (Isco and Bale are not the same position either) bringing in another high quality attacking player would simply mean less minutes to Asensio.

    See how Bale coming back to form means less minutes to Isco.
    Mbappe is not really the exact same position or same player as DiMaria but he took his minutes.
     
  5. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
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    No, it would just mean we have to deal with Benzema's incompetence a lot less.

    You're grasping at straws here. The club didn't sign Mbappe because of his salary demands. It had 0 to do with Asensio.
     
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  6. Ayayain

    Ayayain Member+

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    #731 Ayayain, Jan 24, 2018
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    That's the other way around.

    He was formed as a striker (9), but had to adapt because he knew he would climb the ladder faster if he could play in many positions. He's smart. When LEquipe did a documentary about him, they found people always saying the same thing. he's talented, but also incredibly smart. Tapiro, a guy working in the commercials business, and business advisor said he never met a 18yo kid that has the behavior of a fully grown up adult like Mbappe is.

    - In Monaco B team, and youth teams when he was in Clairefontaine, he played as a 9. He was incredible.
    - In Monaco A team, he played in all three positions. Wingers both sides, and as a 9. He was incredible in any position. But Monaco played, as Zidane05 said, mainly with two strikers. He was not on the side like at PSG where he is used as a real winger.

    His main position has always been 9, and PSG, and himself already said he's their future 9. Mbappe said he's willing to wait for when Cavani retires.

    You thought it was otherwise because the kid can create plays, and does incredible crosses/passes too. But that's just because he's good in any position.

    He also added that having to play in different positions made him be more versatile, and more "complete".

    It remains that he was formed as a 9 at the beginning, and is aiming to be a main 9 in the future.

    He has one downside nowadays, and he knows it: he doesn't defend enough. But as he is aware, he said he is trying to improve (his aim is to defend like Cavani does)
     
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  7. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
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    I think you are.. I didn’t say Mbappe specifically I said Mbappe or another forward. Whoever we bring would stall Asensio’s development and this is obvious as that is reason why James was let go.
     
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  8. Açores57

    Açores57 Member+

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    Mbappe in, Morata out. Mbappe would’ve played up top with Ronaldo in the 442 if anything. When everyone is fit Asensio is there to primarily rotate with Isco.

    Mbappe and Asensio have nothing to do with each other.
     
  9. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
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    What you talking about? We had a deal in place with Monaco if you believe credible sources, Florentino pretty much came out and confirmed interest as well. The team had no issues with going after Mbappe nor did that have anything to do with Asensio.
     
  10. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

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    We were not benching or replacing both Bale and Benz in one transfer window.
     
  11. Açores57

    Açores57 Member+

    Oct 4, 2015
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    Yeah that’s a much better argument than your Asensio grasp.

    Flo himself confirmed interest in Mbappe and mentioned 180m fee for the player not being an issue. To suggest we didn’t bring Mbappe in cause of Asensio is ridiculous.
     
  12. robnycus

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    #737 robnycus, Jan 25, 2018
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    The BBC + Mayoral + New high quality forward = less mins to Asensio (this is common sense) & less participation in important games.

    You remove the last factor from that sum and Asensio gets more minutes.
    This is all I am saying.. and anyone trying to stubbornly disagree with this notion is simply being dishonest.

    Flo also said this..
    "We cannot forget what happened to Pogba. They also said we had to sign him,"
    "But we can't forget that the squad has 24 players and only 11 play. At this moment, we have the best squad in the world."
     
  13. robertocarlos3

    robertocarlos3 Member+

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    according to la liga table, we dont even have the best team in madrid.
     
  14. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    At this point, Mbappe is the stick to batter whichever target feels the most practical. Florentino, Asensio, Ronaldo, Benzema. You just say, "well, we didn't sign Mbappe because of ________" and you have an argument.
     
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  15. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
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    If Asensio wasn't the reason that Mbappe wasn't brought, then there was definitely the sentiment that we never needed Mbappe because we have Asensio, once we lost out on Mbappe. What sounded like sour grapes at the time, but still a semi justifiable statement, is now is an absolute joke. Mbappe looks like hes light years ahead of Asensio and the gap only seems to be getting bigger.
     
  16. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
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    We didn't get Mbappe because of BBC, especially Benzema. Not Asensio.
     
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  17. yoanaidarov

    yoanaidarov Member+

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    Sep 29, 2014
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    I'm so sick and tired of hearing about Mbappe in every single thread. It's been over half an year. Just let it go. Move on. Talk about beating a dead horse....
     
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  18. -Reivax-

    -Reivax- Member+

    Aug 10, 2010
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    I'm disappointed in Asensio's form after the Valencia game, but I'm not worried yet. His performance has just dipped along with the rest of the team's. Can't expect a player of his age to carry a team like Madrid (yet).
     
  19. Vector-SS

    Vector-SS Member+

    Mar 18, 2007
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    Seeing how he's progressing, you better get used to it because it sure as hell ain't gonna get better over here ;)
     
  20. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    "Let it go, let it go
    Can't hold it back anymore
    Let it go, let it go
    Turn away and slam the door"
     
  21. MiamiNative0722

    MiamiNative0722 Member+

    May 25, 2013
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    Thought this was an insightful video.

    So is the young Spaniard a future titular? As the Spanish press asked Al-Khelaifi, is Asensio better than Mbappe?
     
  22. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    The question is what is the best position for him? He is basically a hybrid between AM / winger. In any case, he can be titular easily next season. I just hope we won`t fck it up and buy Hazard.
     
  23. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    No matter who we buy, with this kind of attitude, he'll play himself ahead of him.
     
  24. meringues

    meringues Member+

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    Aug 8, 2008
    Wisconsin
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    I still think he’s best as a 2nd striker

    Problem is that’s sorta what CR7 is at this point.
     
  25. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    I would consider Messi-esque role for him. Centrally behind forward / forwards. But then, what to do with Isco? Decision, decision...
     

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