Wednesday 19 June 2019

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Off the field, I agree as he definitely put the league on the global map.. As a player on the pitch, I don't think so.
     
  2. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well he did fill stadiums.
     
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  3. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  4. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #29 falvo, Jun 19, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2019
    Initially he did but not so much in 2011 or 12 when the novelty wore off. At least I didn't recall seeing the numbers as high as they were in 2007/08. Quakes GM Dave Kaval actually stated David refused to play at Buck Shaw in San Jose and Bruce Arena said 50k showed up at Stanford on July 4th weekend to see David which wasn't exactly true. The Galaxy traditionally drew and draws well in San Jose but mostly because they are the Quakes main rival. The traditional fireworks show also brought and still brings out the fans on a yearly basis to the annual game. David picked a fight with the Quakes mascot in one game they lost at Stanford.

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  5. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Still my favorite MLS moment that didn't involve the Sounders
     
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  6. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
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  7. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
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    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
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  8. C-Rob

    C-Rob Member

    May 31, 2000
    But the arms and legs are cool?
     
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  9. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Totally. Other reptiles have them, so no worries. But hair? That's just unnatural.

    (so says a balding guy)
     
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  10. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Illegitimate Cousins?
     
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  11. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Nov 30, 1998
    on the run from the covid
    Club:
    Seattle
    So by "initially" you mean his first 3.5 years in the league? Out of what, 5.5?
     
  12. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    There was that year he tore his achilles. So **** Beckham. He should have played with a torn achilles.

    Also one of the greatest MLS moments
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  13. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #38 falvo, Jun 19, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2019
    Just looked it up and Beckham played 5 games in 2007, 25 in 2008 and they tied the Quakes for last in the league. That was when they hired and fired Ruud Gullit. He then went on loan to Milan and played 11 times in 2009, got injured while at loan at Milan in 2010 and came back and played 7 games for the Galaxy that year. He really didn't play that many MLS games from 2007-2010 so its kind of hard to sell out stadiums when you are not playing. I also remember him picking a fight with a few local LA fans who were mad that he went on loan to Milan and another guy in KC who wore an England shirt making fun of Victoria. I still don't recall this great enthusiasm though when the novelty of his signing wore off. The Galaxy didn't really win anything until they got Robbie Keane in 2011 & 2012.

    Can't believe 7 years have past since he played his last MLS game. Many of today's teens under 15-16 by now probably can't recall him in MLS. Looking back, if his signing had anything to do with the where the league is at now, he should be given credit. I don't know if either San Jose and the PNW teams will have put forth a team if Beckham hadn't signed. The league has grown considerably ever since. Not sure if LA2, NY2, Philly , Cincy and Atlanta will have had teams had he not put the league on the map.
     
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  14. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    $70k for Servando Carrasco sounds more than fair to me.
     
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  15. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Poor little Servando. His wife will make a lifetime of salaries this summer alone. He actually has a good deal going.
     
  16. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Sure there was a drop off in the 2009 and 2010, but still sold out 10/17 in 2008 and 7/17 in 2010.

    Away games that sold out
    2007....3/3
    2008....15/15
    2009....10/17
    2010....7/17
    2011....16/17
    2012....13/17

    So it didn't wear off if 2011-12 they actually did pretty good, they sold out 29/34 away games.

    Some of the crowds in 2011
    @ DC 26,622
    @ Toronto 22,453
    @ FC Dallas 21,867
    @ Vancouver 27,500
    @ Kansas City 20,512
    @ Houston 30,018

    Some of the crowds in 2012
    @ Kansas City 20,323
    @ Colorado 19,152
    @ Seattle 39,002
    @ Montreal 60,860
    @ Houston 22,039
    @ San Jose 50,391
    @ FC Dallas 22,565
    @ Seattle 60,908
     
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  17. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #42 falvo, Jun 20, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2019
    Yeah ok but I think those numbers are a little misleading. I still don't believe those crowds were solely due to the fact that Beckham was playing (if he actually did) but mostly because it was the LA Galaxy.

    I don't know about other teams but as far as San Jose is concerned , they always draw 50k at Stanford against the Galaxy for their annual fireworks show. LA since 1996 has also always been their biggest draw and rival.

    Doing a quick search, without Beckham or after he retired, these are the Quakes numbers against the Galaxy.

    2013-San Jose 3–2 Los Angeles 50,028
    2014 San Jose 0–1 Los Angeles 50,006
    2014 Los Angeles 2–2 San Jose 10,525 (Buck Shaw)
    2015 San Jose3–1 Los Angeles 50,422
    2015 San Jose 1–0 Los Angeles 18,000 (Avaya)
    2016 San Jose 1–1 Los Angeles 50,816
    2017 San Jose 2–4 Los Angeles 18,000 (Avaya)
    2017 San Jose 2–1 Los Angeles 50,617
    2018 San Jose 3–3 Los Angeles 50,743

    Here are the numbers from the Galaxy's 2014 MLS Cup winning season w/out Beckham and their away attendance numbers seem healthy nor do I see that big of a difference.


    March 22 Real Salt Lake1–1 LA Galaxyhide Sandy, Utah: 20,466

    April 19 Vancouver Whitecaps FC 2–2 LA Galaxy 21,000

    May 3 Colorado Rapids 1–0 LA Galaxy 14,040

    May 11 Portland Timbers 1–1 LA Galaxy 20,804

    May 17 Houston Dynamo 1–0 LA Galaxy 22,233

    June 1 Chicago Fire 1–1 LA Galaxy 17,487
    June 28 San Jose Earthquakes 0–1 LA Galaxy 50,006
    July 19 Sporting Kansas City 2–1 LA Galaxy 21,493
    July 28 Seattle Sounders FC 0–3 LA Galaxy 39,304

    August 16 Columbus Crew 4–1 LA Galaxy: 20,729
    August 20 Colorado Rapids 3–4 LA Galaxy 14,011

    September 10 Montreal Impact 2–2 LA Galaxy 13,916
    September 14 San Jose Earthquakes 1–1 LA Galaxy 10,525 buck shaw

    October 12 FC Dallas 2–1 LA Galaxy 19,039
    October 25 Seattle Sounders FC 2–0 LA Galaxy 57,673

    November 1 Real Salt Lake 0–0 LA Galaxy 20,713
    November 30 Seattle Sounders FC 2–1 LA Galaxy 46,758

    Again, I'm not saying his signing didn't change the league, that his name wasn't a draw or that he wasn't an impact to a point. I still believe though that the Galaxy as a rule , are and traditionally have been a great draw as they are the best team in the league with top players.
     
  18. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    So we are giving Beckham credit for SKCs 5th highest attended game of the year?

    Cool.
     
  19. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Unless the numbers are off, KC drew 20,323 in 2012 with Beckham and 21,493 in 2014 without him.
     
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  20. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, I agree; it's hardly surprising that Beckham sold his interest in the club. It was entirely predictable.

    The only surprise is that he didn't even wait for there to actually BE a club. The reasonable presumption was that he'd stick around for the launch, maybe two years or so, and then cash out.

    Instead,pretty much as soon as the league formally announced the team, he's over at the cashier's window.

    This is hardly what MLS had in mind when they offered him the $25 million deal. They surely wanted him around for cachet going forward, and have paid dearly for that: Becks just beat them out of $175 million.

    And yes, they are saying he'll be involved, or be the face or whatever, but come on. If he's not invested, he's not going to be around signing autographs and posing for selfies; he'll be in London with his kids, or Gstaad or the Cote d'Azur or on a superyacht off the coast of Greece, not hanging around watching Miami FC play San Jose on a Saturday night.

    Just to say it is to point out how absurd it is.

    Becks is just waiting for his bestie, Prince William, to get the throne so that he can be knighted. It won't be long. And how often does one seriously expect Sir David (or Lord Beckham) to shlepp his way to an MLS game?

    He and Vicky have used and abused MLS and made a fool of Don Garber, and will laugh all the way to the Bank of London with the lovely $175million parting gift.
     
  21. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Initially, I think Don Garber loved Beckham and what he brought to the table. Not so sure if he feels the same way now. Like Pele, Beckham he has become a good ambassador for the game in this country and MLS. I think the league will have grown sooner or later but not at the pace it has since his signing in 2007.
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wasn't watching MLS when DB was around but I think his biggest contribution was the DP. I don't think NYCFC would be a thing without Lampard and Villa.
     
  23. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I agree. Neither Pirlo , Lampard , Villa or the other superstars will have come to MLS had it not been for Beckham. I'm also questioning if there will have been a second team in NY not to mention the rapid expansion.
     
  24. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    If we really want to be technically correct, the the Beckham statue should be outside mls headquarters not the Home Depot center
     
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  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NYCFC were a thing before they signed Pirlo. He signed on July 6th.
     

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