(WC Qualifier) Kazakhstan v. Germany - 03.22.2013 [R]

That's the part that confuses me about it not working against big teams. The second time we ever played it was in the second half against a french side who'd recently fought Spain to a draw, and the formation was crucial in our win there. It's not perfect and there were absolutely goals left on the pitch, but those goals they didn't score weren't crosses that weren't headed in, but one-two's that weren't sharp between players who don't often play together in this formation. Oh well, guess we'll just have to wait and see for the doubters to admit they may have made their minds up prematurely.

 

Wouldn't Ozil be a better #10 though?

Serious question, why didn't Reus start? I know he'll ********ing explode where Podolski is playing. And Gotze was amazingly calm today, ok - Kazakhstan, but still, mature performance by such a young squad.

Was I the only one pleased that Schmelzer looked absolutely fine today? I think he is our left back now.

 

people still asking why Reus didnt start... sigh

 

http://www.11freunde.de/liveticker/kasachstan-deutschland-im-11freunde-liveticker-0

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Groß im Bild: Mitte vierzigjährige Deutsche, die nach Astana geflogen sind, um dieses Spiel zu sehen. Wir wenden uns vertrauensvoll an deren Frauen: Jetzt denkt mal ohne Hemmungen darüber nach, ob in Eurer Ehe alles in Ordnung ist, Ladies. Deutschland gegen Kasachstan: Das ist doch schlimmer, als würde er Euch mit der dicken Petra aus der Buchhaltung betrügen. Nicht wahr.

 

dude how old are you? I've got a PhD to keep up with, sometimes things fall through the cracks.

 

Hendrik can you translate pls ?

 

good for you

 

I thought this was a brilliant move to a 4-3-3 transition..

Our link up and chances were endless..
Of course we had leaks and scares at the back, but we had merte and howedes... No really experienced together..

Give this lineup some time, I think it should be used for ever single WCQ and friendly till WC time.

I loved gotze upfront, he's a box dribbling beast.

Everyone played well, piggy was beast as he's been in past years. It's such night and day when he's on form.
Something we lacked at euros after his injury year..

My starting squad would be this:

Lahm hummels badstuber/boetang schmelzer
Piggy Ozil khedira
Muller gotze Reus


If we need more firepower because a team his bunkering like crazy. We can add kroos instead of khedira and pair him beside piggy.

If piggy is in need of rest gundogan had risen nicely.

Schurrle as super sub 70+ to kill game off.

I think we're starting to build something here, we just need to start playing more consistent starting 11.

 

Oh boy is Götze lost in this position :S I wish Götze would have the drive of a Messi, then he could really become as good as Messi (in different way though), but he relies too much on his skills and thinks a few percentage of less running and effort are enough. Götze looked much better in this regard in the youth NTs.

To be a striker. His finishing and movement are nowhere near the level needed, if there is one Muller is the only one that can play up there.. if of course we are talking about a very mobile striker.

N to be honest , I dont think Müller would be any good as a striker... he needs to come from deep to detect space and use it (which he is world class in and which is, essentially, his main strength) and hes not a player who can greatly get the ball with the back to the goal and deliver it and spread it. BUt yeah, he couldnt be much worse then Götze today

Not to mention Mueller is too weak too play inside the box. Reus， Oezil, Mueller, Schuerrle are not at all physical enough to hold down defenders inside the box

I m not content with the result. We have many possessions but I think the execution is poor. And we don't have a plan B when the strikerless formation doesn't work. Again, I am saying Klose n Gomez are not very good alternatives

 

If you get to play the Kazakhs every week this would work. lol

I think we have been through this before. Sweini and Khedira midfield is brilliant as long as the opponents leave them so much space to have their three touches. Once time and space are denied both of them struggle. We have seen how Ozil is forced to come deep to start the distribution. Gundogan is the only player in Low's squad who can solve this problem. I'll admit the French didn't apply a lot of pressure in the middle either but the Dortmund man still is the hope of this team.

Next match I want to see Gundogan instead of Sweini with Rues on the flank. Low might exactly do that on Tuesday.

Khedira --------Ilkay------ Gotze

Muller---------- Ozil---------- Rues

 

Systems Biology. Thanks dude.

 

I honestly wouldn't take anything besides the fact that Gotze can play as a false 9, and Podolski is on his way out.

 

I am happy we tried this formation and under the circumstances I think its the way to go. With Reus back it should even work better. However I have a hunch Loew will bring on Gomez as well in the next game. I still think that against stronger opponents this formation will even work better, as they will have more space to play these short passes successfully and will also have more opportunities to counter. Germany with these guys is still 0ne of the best counter attacking teams in the world. Regarding your formation above it should look more like this:
------Khedira --------Ilkay-------
-------------------Oezil------------
Muller----------------------- Reus
-------------------Goetze-----------
With them constantly interchanging positions

 

Why are we leaving out piggy???

No piggy on the NT no title.... Period.

Unless your talking about the khazak game specifically..

It baffles my mind how were going to drop piggy for gundogan :s

 

http://spielverlagerung.de/2013/03/23/kasachstan-deutschland-03/

SV's analysis of the match.

 

I am not Hendrik - but I try (not a word for word translation)

Big in the picture: German Men in their forties who flew to Astana to watch this match. We like to ask their spouses truthfully: Ladies, do you really think that your marriage is still ok? Germany vs Kasachstan. Isn't that worse than if he would have a go with fat Petra from the accounting department?

 

We created few chances against an opponent of this quality and even let them have chances. You standards must be really low if that qualifies for "very good".

What was "untried" about this formation? The only tactical change was Götze instead of Gomez and Götze still behaved like a striker.
Also you guys also seem to forget the game vs the Netherlands, it was not the first time with Götze as "false 9" though it's telling that you guys don't even realise that.

 

After the first 2 goals, Germany took their foot off the pedal. Kazakhstan may be rubbish but they put all their players in defense and it is not as easy to score/create chances. Just ask Spain against Finland yesterday. Real Madrid with all their great attacking players struggle regularly against bottom teams who park the bus.

45 min against Netherlands and 15min(or was it more?) against France is not enough to judge a new formation.
You need to play with it for 90 min at least 5-6 games to get an idea.

 

It was the first competitive fixture where it featured from the start and also the first game with most of the first team attackers playing the formation. I think it's a little more telling that you think that swapping Gomez with Gotze didn't change the way we built up and attacked all the way down the line. This was a very new system that had been tried in the first hour of a B-team friendly and in the last half hour of the next friendly. Given that the system showed flashes of what it was capable in a comfortable win. There's obviously still much work to be done, the guys need to perfect their timing and spacing up front and get the first choice CBs out there and gelling with the rest of the team, but for an official debut from the formation this was very promising to build off of what we saw in the friendlies.