You're just projecting, again, at this point. If you don't get it, its because you're too stupid to understand the simple, and overcomplicate things that don't make sense to you. It's a way to hide from the fact that you're generally clueless, and...like I said...almost everyone gets it but you. Your whole argument was already a weak one to begin with but let's reiterate the key points: - You claim Ventura changed nothing, no intent, no instruction, nothing - It was all personnel changes that caused the huge difference we saw between the games - When informed that the big personnel change was Jak for Monto, you go on to say that Monto wasn't exclusively defending when he got injured, further contradicting yourself and almost fully invalidating your argument. If the very same players were capable of playing a high tempo high pressing game vs Spain the first time, they were capable the second time. If your argument was that they sucked and didn't care the second time, you'd have won more points than saying that Ventura made these massive player changes when it's obvoious he didn't, but had the same approach as Conte down. He didn't, duh. To add insult to injury, the man himself said he approached the whole game wrong and that he would have instructed them as he did once they were down a goal; to MOVE FORWARD. I can't make this stuff up. It's just too obvious. When using essentially the same cast, and admitting getting the approach wrong, he's basically told you everything you need to know. Yet you persist in stating that the approach was correct because to your uninformed eyes you see 3 5 2 On one hand you assume you have some extraordinary insight into the game, yet on the other you see 352 and think 352 = 352 = 352 no matter what, right? Automatically assuming that all 352's function the same. Newsflash; they don't. And it's obvious when you get your head out of the place where you think you have some magical insight into the game and try to over complicate everything. At least Chooch knows when to give up. You don't. I didn't blame him, you did. You said it was the personnel changes that caused Italy to be shit in this game vs Spain, whereas they were in control of the last. Montolivo was the big change, besides Romagnoli for Chiellini. Since that caused no significant change tactically, then you're saying that MontNoLibido was to blame for the limp dick approach. I already said, you might be right on that one. Oh and you forgot to say he's world class.