Victims of a Campaign- The Other Footy Teams Thread

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  1. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IDK, they were on a roll and it looked like they were the only ones who were close enough to potentially threaten Pool a month or so ago, after Pep officially dropped out of the race. ;)
     
  2. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One has to admire the confidence, positivity, aggression and force with which Liverpool are playing the first half vs United.
     
  3. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At the beginning of November, they were 11 points behind Liverpool. Toward the end of December they were 10 points behind but Liverpool also had two matches in hand. Have they been closer than that other than at a point when hardly any matches had been played?
     
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  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Leicester surfed some good luck plus good play

    Likely their points tally was already too big before xmas to miss top 4

    But they are not city level
     
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  5. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    This is a thread about VAR and Arsenal, apparently we're down 9 points from where we could/should be if VAR worked differently.
     
  6. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    {results below}

    This MU-Burnley match is really entertaining. Burnley (deservedly) up 2-0 into 2T stoppage time. ManUre just had a goal disallowed for offside on a pretty marginal call. Old Trafford is fuming. Half the stands are empty before the final whistle.
     
  7. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    I don’t think it was for offside, he appeared to be onside, it was for going through the back of Mee for the header. I think that it was a marginal foul and the goal probably should have stood.

    I do find it interesting that as much stick as Arsenal have received for their poor defense, United spent approximately £100m on two defenders last summer and have only allowed five fewer goals than Arsenal have.
     
  8. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for the correction. I had the game on, but it was muted while I was on a con call for work.

    I don't know which is worse. ManUre spending that much on defenders, or us spending so little when we knew it's a need. At least Saliba is coming next season, and hopefully Tierney can eventually stay healthy.
     
  9. Shen-O

    Shen-O Member+

    United States
    Jul 26, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    awesome
     
  10. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Looking at xG data on understat, seems like United are the unluckiest team in the league right now - teams have finished like crazy against them, and their finishing has been bizarre. The should have scored at least five more, and conceded at least five less.

    On the flip side, the luck that Liverpool and Leicester have gotten is insane. Leicester in both attack and defense, and Liverpool in terms of results.
     
  11. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Always nice to see ManUre handed a defeat. And at OT. :D

    And with a blistering GOTS candidate by Rodriguez.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Statsbomb have a big write up of utd

    Defensively good

    Mediocre in attack
     
  13. Shen-O

    Shen-O Member+

    United States
    Jul 26, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    so like most United teams once you take away all the ref’s help

    too bad Teso had to be a giant racist and got himself banned, would LOVE to see his posts nowadays.
     
  14. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    What happened with teso? Xg needs to be re calibrated with how shit the ref is
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Utd's defensive improvement is basically because they got McGuire and AWB - who is a very good defender

    But there is no alpha there - these were obvious buys

    Their midfield without Pogba is dire
     
  16. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    I’m really curious how understat determines their expected points. Liverpool have only gotten a undeserved result against city I think, based on xG.

    It must be they use the win/draw/lose percentage data. So basically, based on the historical data, strength of opponent and relative performances they would be expected to draw/lose a few more games. Will be funny if they have a massive correction and drop 10-15 points.
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    What is kind of interesting with understat is that liverpool are on a wild streak and City are not so bad.

    Whereas Arsenal really are as bad as we have been saying.
     
  18. footykid

    footykid Member+

    Jan 10, 2005
    Mississauga, Ont
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    This is the one thing that statistical analysis doesn't seem to cover at least imo.

    When you are playing football and you don't think the other team has teeth, you will always gamble a little more and sometimes that means you get a goal when you don't deserve it, even when the other team has been good defensively. Our match against Chelsea is a perfect example, they kept us in the game far too long in a close but losing position.

    ManU love or hate them have always had a player or two who you would think could score if given half a chance. I don't think they have those players. We're similar in a lot of respects.

    TL;DR you can have a shit defense so long as the other team thinks that you can actually create goals.
     
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  19. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    It's no accident that the last time Utd won the league, they had some very bad data, but they also had RvP as an all time striker who was an xG monster
     
  20. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    ManU got away from what helped them dominate the league in mid to late Fergie. They used to collect prem players basically like an all star squad. They would poach very top player from mid table clubs—young, Valencia, Carrick, and then supplement that with some flair from the continent.

    They got away from this and Liverpool have built their squad using this philosophy. Basically they gave Liverpool the blueprint that they have run away with it.
     
  21. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not really. No one misses him.
     
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  22. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Someone really needs to create a rogue gallery of BS trolls for the records before this place shuts down :ROFLMAO:
     
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  23. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    What did Teso do?
     
  24. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Good god. How the hell was he not banned five years ago? He said shockingly racist stuff as far back as 2011.
     
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  25. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I would stupidly try to engage with him until he tried to argue either the Taylor tackle on Eduardo or the Shawcross tackle on Ramsey (maybe both) weren't red card worthy. At that point, I said to myself, "ok you're the idiot if you keep trying to have a discussion with him." So I stopped.
     

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