Verratti and the National team

Now I have to give lessons on how to play the game. Attacking means that he pushes forward, physically and the ball. He looks for that chance where we can spring a striker through. He looks to get into the attack with an opportunity to get a shot off. If all I see him do is keep possession in our middle third of the pitch, I will be pissed. I not only hope not but expect him to get into the attack. Otherwise, he is of limited use, which is a shame considering the skills he possess.

 

He doesn't really know what he's doing. Look at how poorly he understand the roles of regista and trequartista. If making oneself look like a retard is good trolling, he can give Sheva a run for his money

 

Falc is a specialist at dodging questions that exposes his limited knowledge of certain players he hates.

Can you define, using other players as an example of what you mean by more attacking role? Can you give an example of where he had failed to do this, other than the one from the Uruguay game where Marchisio failed him? Does one example define the player? Or would a few seasons at club provide a better overall picture? Finally, as a youth coach yourself, are roles assigned to players, especially in situations where coaches have a specific vision?

I am amused that wheb people discredit the club form of players they hate, but praise the club form of the ones that play for their team.

Also amused when fans are ready to write off one guy who's played a limited time, in a forced role, when they most likely defended players like Del Piero who largely never brought his club form to the National Team. Club biases are good for rivalry thread though.

 

When did Marchisio fail me? In fact, Marchisio is a perfect example that the little French guy should emulate. Since when have I hated any players? I don't even hate teams.

Speaking of dodging, you sound like the Republican candidates for President. There is only so much anti-Hillary shit you can sling. At some point, you have to be about something. If you have given some kind of blessing, role, position for Verratti to play for gli Azzurri, it is hidden in all of the gotcha crap you keep posting over and over again.

So instead of attacking @totti fan, me and whomever else for constructive criticism of the fanboy idol, tell us something about him. This thread is to discuss him, not to rehash old shit.

 

Questions remain

Can you define, using other players as an example of what you mean by more attacking role? Can you give an example of where he had failed to do this, other than the one from the Uruguay game where Marchisio failed him? Does one example define the player? Or would a few seasons at club provide a better overall picture? Finally, as a youth coach yourself, are roles assigned to players, especially in situations where coaches have a specific vision?

 

Don't be arrogant Falc.

 

Marchisio did not fail him. Verratti made a bad decision and the pass should have gone to De Sciglio. Marchisio read the play perfectly and was making a run for De Sciglio. Anyone with soccer intelligence can see that on that play.

Why don't you look at how many goals your little French guy has. Then look at how many shots. I am not expecting him to be a leading goal scorer. But on a team like PSG, he should bag 7-8 goals in that league. Perhaps reading a comment from his coach Blanc, who stated that he needs to improve that part of his game. Now if you want to argue that Verratti does not need to do so, then state it. But this little game of yours is getting tiring my friend.

 

Just being the wise old guy. And yes, there is double entendre in that statement.

 

You're still dodging the questions.

 

I tried to expand the role of my players as much as possible. In high school, I started off as a striker freshman year. Then made varsity sophomore year where my coach played me in midfield. Junior year, I started to play as a stopper and by senior season, the coveted libero role. Also filled in a third keeper when we broke the fingers of our two goalkeepers. As a high school senior, I started to play on an adult team. First used as a wing in midfield and then later earned a starting place as a left back. I am right footed by the way. I played in all of the defensive positions as well as a central midfielder. So I don't buy that there is only one position for a player. I can't say that is the same for a lot of youth coaches.

When I consider positioning, I look at a player's characteristics. Does he have good composure on the ball? Is he a type that likes to charge up field or prefers to have the play in front of him? Is he a ball distributor or a dribbler? Is he good at marking or reading the play? A lot of factors.

So to bring this back to your little French guy, Verratti is a player who has great composure on the ball. Keeps it close to him and can play in short space. He actually has good vision but does not show it often enough. Likes to keep it safe. If his goal is to win some award for passes completed, who gives a shit. A 5-yard pass can be a waste often. He needs to take risks pushing the ball forward, putting us in a scoring position. You see that at times with PSG but his problem is that he is not really the go-to guy. His job is to get the ball to the go-to guy. For gli Azzurri, he needs to become that go-to guy. If you disagree, then please enlighten us.

 

I have answered the question several times. If it is not to your liking, too bad. Your offside trap sucks Pauly. I hate to tell you but it is not working. Maybe you need to become more offensive. Maybe that is why you protect the little French guy. I am seeing a similarity between the two of you.

 

In which games?

So basically this is the only play you can cite? One where a player who plays for you team couldn't handle a simple pass?

 

You're dodging these ones, I'll post them one line at a time

-Can you give an example of where he had failed to do this, other than the one from the Uruguay?

-Does one example define the player?

-Or would a few seasons at club provide a better overall picture?

-Finally, as a youth coach yourself, are roles assigned to players, especially in situations where coaches have a specific vision? ( in other words WHO assigns the role to players, a Coach or the player?). Simple one word answer will suffice.


Going off on a tangent isn't answering the question.

 

In league and CL matches I have watched. I especially look to see what he does. He has his moments. He also has the safety latch on. So it works for the French league. Allez les bleus.

 

Ok so basically

-Can you give an example of where he had failed to do this, other than the one from the Uruguay?

[No, not really]

-Does one example define the player?

[Seems to be]

-Or would a few seasons at club provide a better overall picture?

[I'm going to guess, no here as well]

-Finally, as a youth coach yourself, are roles assigned to players, especially in situations where coaches have aspecific vision? ( in other words WHO assigns the role to players, a Coach or the player?). Simple one word answer will suffice.

That leaves one more. A simple one word answer would suffice. And you can drop the thinly veiled personal attacks, unless you really want to go down that road.

Oh and one more question. Did you defend Del Piero on the national team? I'm sure I could do a simple search, but I'll wait to see your answer first. My guess is yes.

 

CP: You're dodging these ones, I'll post them one line at a time

-Can you give an example of where he had failed to do this, other than the one from the Uruguay?

Falc: Why don't you give me examples otherwise since you follow him so closely. The Uruguay example was because someone posted it and I recall seeing it. I don't have time to search the internet for you.

-Does one example define the player?

Nope. But repeated style of play does.

-Or would a few seasons at club provide a better overall picture?

I could care less about his club. I want to see what he does in this next week. My book on him continues to be open. You are making more of this than anyone else. In fact, you have been driving this debate since day one. Just can't leave a comment alone. You have to bring up over and over again. If I wanted that kind of shit, I would have gotten married.

-Finally, as a youth coach yourself, are roles assigned to players, especially in situations where coaches have a specific vision? ( in other words WHO assigns the role to players, a Coach or the player?). Simple one word answer will suffice.

Just about every kid who tries out will tell you he is a striker. Rarely does anyone say that he is the next Chiellini. Are there coaches with specific roles and formations in youth soccer? Unfortunately yes. That was not me. In fact, my worst fault was using my more talented players on defense. I wanted players who could control from the back and bring the ball up instead of just kicking it up field.

Going off on a tangent isn't answering the question.

When the questions start from tangents, what do you expect?

 

Since you added this. Not sure what exactly you are referring to. Del Piero belonged and was a contributor to the team. Not sure what it has to do with the little French guy. Another one of your tangential questions?

 

Right, so that definitely IS the only play you can cite. I thought so.

Except, you mean, for when the repeated styles of play that contradict your arguments. Then club form is irrelevant. Funny guy Falc, you had me going for a while there.

Nice try. That wasnt the question. More or less, the question pertains to the one and only example you've ever really bought to the table, an isolated play vs Uruguay where Marchisio couldn't handle an easy pass as examples of Verratti not going forward. If that's not laughable enough, you say that his club form is irrelevant.

Sigh Falc... Have it your way.

It's a simple question Falc...I've even simplified it further.

- WHO assigns roles, coaches or players?

We BOTH know the answer.


Edit: so you really think Del Piero consistently brought his club form to the national team? For real?

 

I stated that with PSG, he does take the safe route. His use is getting out of tight corner on the defensive end and then giving the ball to one of their attacking players. Works for PSG. We need more for gli Azzurri as he is not going to have those players to pass to. He needs to be that player he passes to. I hope we see that Friday. How many times have you seen him play? Why not give actual examples to refute me if that is the case? The ball is in your court.

So who do you think assigns roles? I gave you my answer from my coaching philosophy. Not sure why you can't accept that. Players come with roles they think they should play. Then there are fathers who will tell you where his son should play. There are coaches who look at roles as if they are robots. My style has always been look at what I have and figure out how to get my best 11 out there as well as how to fit the other kids as substitutes. As I told you that I had a tendency of using my best players in the back, I also played my weakest up front as a sub. More for damage control.

 

So on 8 occasions, that you've viewed, from in deep one of these random attacking players managed to dribble the entire field and score?

So you agree that coaches assign roles and players can't just define them at random. Good, we're getting somewhere. More later. I'll just ask one question at a time now

 

Some coaches do. Some just tell a player to play that position. Some coaches do no more than just work on individual skills. Your kids are little. When they start playing organized soccer, your eyes will be amazed. Sometimes good (hopefully) and sometimes bad.

A player's characteristics may be influenced by many factors. Sometimes a coach, sometimes a player they favor. You will see kids overdo stepover moves that they watch Ronaldo do. I will be honest, a coach can't teach vision on the pitch. A player has it or not. A good coach who recognizes his player has such vision will cultivate. For those who do not, he will try to improve it.

So in response to your question, coaches do not assign roles in general. Some do, others do not. It is not a black & white answer.

 

Do you have my TV bugged? Interested in finding out where that number 8 came from. Another tangential question. Do you have anything to say? It seems that you have no opinion of the little French guy or anyone else. You can do better than this.

 

You're denying the 8 goals he created this season and say you've watched him?

Let me quote you.

I've given my opinion many times. Don't blame me if you want to pretend you didn't read it.

He has room for improvement, no kidding. That's no big revelation. It doesn't mean all he does, ever, is make 3-5yd passes. You can do better than that, especially if you really watched him. Discrediting club form is ridiculous, though. I don't know why you keep trying that angle.

He can certainly grow, like anyone else at 22 years of age. I'm not in the business of making Captain Obvious statements as a fail safe so that when he grows I can say "I told you so. He finally listened to me!" But that doesn't mean I'm also interested in hating on him for not being an instant hero.

And if you can defend multiple years of Del Piero failing to bring his club form to the national team, you can show some patience to a young guy who's had a handful of opportunities trying to adjust to the role Conte has assigned to him before writing him off. Now it's up to Conte to find a "complimentary" role for him. That's his problem.

Do what makes you happy, just please don't be telling me (too) that Pirlo never improved with age, because he was forced to play trequartista for the national team, please, please, please.

 

Right, coaches dictate the tactics their team will deploy, and the individual roles that the players at their disposal bring, firstly. Sometimes they invent new roles for players that bring out their innate gifts, like Mazzone did for Pirlo at Brescia and Ancelotti carried on with at Milan, and of course the smart ones will try to help develop them further. So there's more than a little bit of responsibility there to consider.

 

You are the one who continues to harp on the 5-yard passing. It started as a joke with me and just my way of being my sarcastic self. Same thing with me referring to him as the little French guy. I did not discredit his club form as hard as you tried to make me do. You think I was born yesterday? I know what you were trying to do. Like I stated, your offside trap is not working. He can be the greatest player who ever donned the PSG kit. It makes no difference if he does not produce for gli Azzurri. I have been patient with him and will continue to do so. I don't hate him. I hate the comments from fanboys who make him out to be more than he is. Same shit was done with Cassano and Balotelli. This game is more than just some YouTube video. And to be honest, the ones of the little French guy are nothing to be impressed.

The kid has quality. He is not a replacement for Pirlo. I don't want another Pirlo. As great as he is, I prefer to have a player that we do not need to adjust tactics to make up for defensive deficiencies. I don't see that with Verratti. I do see him sitting farther back than Pirlo, who usually can be seen from arch to arch pretty much. Verratti does not like to venture past the center circle much. He needs to push forward more.

So Verratti had 8 assists with PSG. Whooo hooo! Break out the prosecco. Pardonnez-moi, il devrait être du champagne. I think he scored 3 goals too. Impressive stats for a team that probably played nearly 60 games this season.