Ventura and 4 2 4...

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Nek Sanalet, Sep 5, 2016.

  1. Nek Sanalet

    Nek Sanalet Member+

    Dec 30, 2013
    Club:
    AC Milan
    First time starting a thread. If Ventura does switch to his beloved 4 2 4 soon, who would you guys like to see fielded in that formation, especially in the four offensive spots?
     
  2. Baggionero

    Baggionero Member+

    Apr 23, 2015
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Berardi, Belotti, Insigne and Bernardeschi up top in some variation.

    Verratti - Marchisio double pivot.

    The back line will be in limbo now that Chiellini and Barzagli are only getting older.
     
    Nek Sanalet repped this.
  3. Rosay

    Rosay Member+

    May 7, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Ya but we have Rugani and Romagnoli ready to step in. Plus Ogbonna, Astori, Ranocchia as plug ins
     
  4. Baggionero

    Baggionero Member+

    Apr 23, 2015
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    I know that. I say in limbo because I suspect it will take a little while to move them out while Rugani and Romagnoli take over.
     
  5. Rosay

    Rosay Member+

    May 7, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Meh, Chiellini and Barzagli can still play. As long as they are around their experience and leadership can pass to the young boys
     
  6. Nek Sanalet

    Nek Sanalet Member+

    Dec 30, 2013
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I agree 100% with your four players up top and two behind. Those would be my exact 6 picks.

    Rugani, and especially Romagnoli need to get some more caps in. Every year, Chiellini and Barzagli look shaky at first, but then round up to form as the season goes along. I do worry that one of these years the bounce back doesn't occur.

    If Chiellini has more games like the last two, it won't take very long.
     
  7. totti fan

    totti fan Member+

    Jun 24, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Country:
    Italy
    Eat too much candy and you'll lose all your teeth.
     
  8. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Italy
    I fixed it for you ;)
     
    Rosay repped this.
  9. sempreITALIA

    sempreITALIA Member

    Feb 9, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Italy
    4-2-4:

    Insigne -- Belotti -- Gabbiadini -- Berardi

    ---------- Marchisio --- Verratti -------------

    Antonelli --- Chiellini -- Bonucci --- Florenzi

    Viable Alternatives:
    ** Candreva for Berardi
    ** Bernardeschi for Insigne
    ** De Sciglio for Antonelli
    ** Parolo for Marchisio (in case of injury again)
    ** Rugani/ Romagnoli for Chiellini
     
    Nek Sanalet repped this.
  10. Rosay

    Rosay Member+

    May 7, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I think so too
     
  11. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    The 4-2-4 would be suicide against any team with a decent midfield. They'd outnumber us and take us apart.

    I do really though like the idea of Belotti, Gabbs, and Berardi on the field at the same time. Gabbs and Berardi are both fast and very mobile. They do not give defenses an easy point of reference. That would open a lot of space for Belotti. It would mean Berardi would have to run his tail off though. He's capable of that, but sometimes he isn't as lucido in the offensive side of the field when he has to spend so much energy defending.
     
    Nek Sanalet repped this.
  12. Nek Sanalet

    Nek Sanalet Member+

    Dec 30, 2013
    Club:
    AC Milan
    #12 Nek Sanalet, Sep 9, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2016
    I would rather Ventura attempt 3 4 3 instead, with Belotti, Berardi, and Bernardeschi in the front three. (with Gabbs, Candreva, and Insigne as backups/alternates) But I'm fascinated by 4 2 4.... a formation not commonly used. I do think there is serious potential for disaster with the latter, which is why I prefer the former (not to mention you keep a back 3 that has served Juve well, while deploying wingers not afforded by 3 5 2). Interesting to see what Ventura ultimately settles on. I think 3 5 2 will eventually be dropped, along with Eder, for either of those formations or 4 3 3.
     
  13. Nek Sanalet

    Nek Sanalet Member+

    Dec 30, 2013
    Club:
    AC Milan
    #13 Nek Sanalet, Sep 9, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2016
    Insigne and Gabbs play almost zero defense. This worries me in a 4 2 4. I think you can't have both in there at the same time. Berardi and Belotti will track back and fight to regain possession... so does Bernardeschi. I think he should either play at LW or as SS over one of those two.
     
  14. Forzaabruzzo

    Forzaabruzzo Member+

    Apr 19, 2006
    Montreal
    So I guess Darmian is being banished to the abyss of irrelevance then? :(
     
  15. sempreITALIA

    sempreITALIA Member

    Feb 9, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Italy
    #15 sempreITALIA, Sep 9, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2016
    Did you see him at the Euros? Was in absolute shambles every time he came on. He can't get a minute at Manchester United, either. Maybe when he starts becoming relevant again, we wont consider him irrelevant. Seems pretty logical to me. I don't know about you, but I'm all about "what have you done for me lately?". In Darmian's case - not much. His performance at the 2014 World Cup was 2+ years ago now.
     
    Rosay repped this.
  16. thorus

    thorus Member

    Feb 28, 2016
    Club:
    --other--
    a 3 4 3 seems more balanced. I guess the 4 2 4 could be tried against weaker teams but, I think, it would be disastrous against even mid level opposition.
     
  17. sempreITALIA

    sempreITALIA Member

    Feb 9, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Italy
    Personally, I'd prefer a 3-4-3 with these players considered:

    Insigne/ Bernardeschi --- Belotti/ Pelle --- Berardi/Candreva

    -- Antonelli/ De Sciglio -- Marchisio -- Verratti -- Florenzi --

    --- Chiellini/ Romagnoli --- Bonucci --- Barzagli/ Rugani ---
     
  18. totti fan

    totti fan Member+

    Jun 24, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Country:
    Italy
    He was better than De Sciglio
     
  19. sempreITALIA

    sempreITALIA Member

    Feb 9, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Italy
    Not sure that's true. Conte would probably disagree with you, too. De Sciglio started and played every game, whereas Darmian was only used as a sub, and when he was used, he looked like he left his legs in Manchester. He was an absolute atrocity when he came on in the game against Belgium and he provided nothing in the game against Ireland. His form was so poor that he wasn't even able to make Conte's revamped 11 against Ireland with 9 changes. Essentially an Italy B squad without any of the regulars, Darmian still wasn't considered by Conte. Get a grip.
     
    Rosay repped this.
  20. Hulk_Hogan_Italia

    Aug 17, 2005
    Toronto, Canada
    The Telli put in 2 goals on his NICE DEBUT. Any room for Mario???
     
    Rosay and totti fan repped this.
  21. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    No, unless he can be dominant in France and stay out of trouble for 12 consecutive months.
     
  22. totti fan

    totti fan Member+

    Jun 24, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Country:
    Italy
    Darmian started against Belgium. De Sciglio came on as a sub.
    De Sciglio did not start against Sweden.
     
  23. Rosay

    Rosay Member+

    May 7, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    MDS still had a better tournament than Darmian tho
     
    Calcio Pauly and sempreITALIA repped this.
  24. sempreITALIA

    sempreITALIA Member

    Feb 9, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Italy

    I misspoke. De Sciglio came in for Darmian's shocker against Belgium at the hour mark. Darmian was used sparsely by Conte after that only at the end of games. De Sciglio was the much better wing-back option throughout the tournament. Not that this defines a player by any means, but lets also remember that De Sciglio made his penalty against Germany while Darmian missed.
     
    Rosay repped this.
  25. totti fan

    totti fan Member+

    Jun 24, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Country:
    Italy
    I concede. I forgot De Sciglio was poor up until the Spain match where he did quite well.

    Darmian looked out of confidence when he played, no doubt because of his treatment at ManUre.

    My DeSciglio views were heavily influenced by his Italy performance post Euro which was sub standard. and the group stage at Euro.
     

Share This Page