Gedion Zelalem at FC Den Bosch

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  1. beerslinger23

    beerslinger23 Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    You're the expert...
     
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  2. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  3. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
  4. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
  5. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    His confidence has to be shot. Needs an invite and good performance in the U20 WC to get some mojo.
     
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  6. chrome_vapors

    chrome_vapors Member+

    Oct 15, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's an aggressive assumption.

    Hasn't he been the first sub off the bench tbe past few games prior?

    Strong performance at the WC would be great though assuming he makes it.

    A lot of strong competition in midfield with the U20's. It will be interesting how the staff rates him relative to his peers.
     
  7. Midas Mulligan

    Midas Mulligan Member+

    Jul 24, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting in the same way it's interesting for me to blindfold myself, toss a dart and see where It lands.

    That's the faith I have in the staff to select players.
     
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  8. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still young, but his career trajectory is becoming worrying...
     
  9. You only look at the matchminutes situation. We donot know what is happening in developing terms during training. How he's progressing there.

    One might think Real Madrid has a top academy. Bergdølmo, now coach of Ullensaker Kisa, but before at the Norwegian club of Ødegaard, gives them a kick in the nuts in an interview with the Spanish news paper AS:
    The current coach of the Norwegian Ullensaker Kisa is pleased that the Norwegian super talent in January moved to Heerenveen.
    "At Real Madrid Castilla he has developed, but at Heerenveen he really has learned what it means to be a professional footballer. I think he mostly done much weight training at Real Madrid. "
    Bergdølmo, who played around 66 Eredivisie matches played between 2000 and 2003, sees his compatriot in Friesland making progress. "Heerenveen is the only club where he really learned something.
    "
    And GertJan Verbeek, former coach of Mike Bradley said in a Dutch soccer programm about Ødegaard that one can see he has been stagnant for two years for not playing at an adequat level.
    So how are you sure Zelalem is to be worried about? He's in good hands, ours!
     
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  10. americanfutbolista10

    Jan 19, 2017
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Looks like he might be on the move per http://britishtide.ml

    "The British Tide has learned that Arsenal midfielder Gedion Zelalem has interrupted his loan move at VVV Venlo to open talks with Mark Warburton in Nottingham over a potential move to the club this summer. It is understood that Zelalem is keen to join Warburton’s side as he seeks to kickstart his professional career."

    Could be a solid move if he is to get minutes, but unclear if it is for a loan or a permanent switch
     
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  11. chrome_vapors

    chrome_vapors Member+

    Oct 15, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I salivate at the thought of a permanent move.

    A full pre-season and an opportunity to prove influential at the Championship level.

    It would indeed be time to put up.
     
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  12. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Yea let's do this
     
  13. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    This doesn't feel like it's going to end well at this point.
     
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  14. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic

    Not a good destination. The club is a complete mess with an owner who makes Trump seem balanced and in control of his impulses. There is also the little matter of the size of the squad: not counting players out on loan, there are 32 players, including 4 - yes, four - goalkeepers which, ahem, "suggests" an untargeted approach to player recruitment.

    Most of that squad is under contract beyond the summer, so there's going to be a lot of competition for places. That isn't a problem, unless you have 8 or 9 guys for 3 places when you wind up with an unsettled dressing room with 2-3 players who have no chance of playing and are just seeing out their contracts and start causing trouble.

    He could wind up like Ariybi, who was bought for 500k at the end of the transfer window. He hasn't even made the bench once.
     
  15. I donot get it. This is a league that:
    1. is far more physical and fast paced than the Dutch Jupiler League.
    2. isnot very technical in play
    3. isnot a league with development of players reputation

    How is that going to improve his chances? Zelalem is physically already lacking in the Dutch Jup league and is supposed to get into the first team in the Championship club with no hitch?
    He also hasnot accomodated his speed of decision making in combination with his technical abilities to the Jup league. When he applies his current speed of decision making in the Championship, he will be flattened by the opponent before he even realizes what happened.
    He still has an awful lot to learn, so the Championship is the place to be to learn it plus trying to survive?

    Trying to get a picture of how that looks like.
     
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  16. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    Ok yes, but on a positive note: it would be with a manager who already has worked with him. That's a good thing. It's at a level that if he can't hack it at then he's just a youth prospect that can't hack it. That's a good thing.

    Sometimes you have to make an ugly move.
     
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  17. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    The Championship is like quicksand. Once you enter there, because of the salaries paid, you'll never leave. None of our guys who got into a Ch'ship team moved up from there, in recent memory. Yedlin is a different case because he was with an EPL team that went down.

    But Fulham, Forest, Birmingham, etc. are going to stay there for a long time yet. The best that can be said is that at least if you don't move, you stop sinking.
     
  18. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Emo from Fulham to Bournemouth.
     
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  19. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    It'll count when he starts playing for Bournemouth.
     
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  20. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ????
    Yedlin moved to Newcastle in the Championship. Are you saying it doesn't count because they used to be in the PL? So were many other teams.
     
  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Newcastle was relegated but kept a roster good enough to return right away.

    That wasn't the case with other clubs.

    Sunderland is about to go down and right now they don't have a squad to be back next season.
     
  22. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    this^^^ also Jovan Kirovski/Steve Bruce is the cautionary tale. But if Warburton thinks enough of GZ to drag him to his new club, it's worth the try. If a Dutch club wanted him permanently, that would be great, or if Arsenal really had a plan for him. But the idea that his Gers coach thinks enough of him to try to snag him is not bad.

    @feyenoordsoccerfan rep for bringing up JOB's old teamie Bergdolmo! I miss watching JOB and Chivu and van der Vaart and Maxwell and van der Meyde and De Cler and... sniff, sniff...
     
  23. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    So Gedion has a longer j-curve than most players. That's not to say he'll make it. That's just to say most supremely technical footballers need years of seasoning. Even the most ridiculous world class ones.

    Furthermore, being an Arsenal first-teamer kinda means at this point that you just vaguely meet Grampa Aresene's ideal aesthetic. Which is not indicative of anything but a downward trajectory of relevance.

    Gedion Zelalem is a special talent. Given.
    He needs a second class place to show his class. And five more years. And maybe a sixth. And f*** yeah

    I got patience for this kid.
     
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  24. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What trajectory? Or, perhaps, is the trajectory upward or just sideways/horizontal? I can't see that his situation has improved at all.
     
  25. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    If he decides to leave Arsenal for the Championship, much less a club as dysfunctional as Forest, I'm ready to write him off as an elite prospect.
    Ere, Eerste, BL, 2 Bl, Segunda Liga, Serie B, Primeira - if he's looking for playing time, there are plenty of options on the continent where he would be a better fit and be more likely to succeed and turn heads.
     
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