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  1. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

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    I understand why it happened, too -- Bernie Bros were/are annoying as hell.

    But there needed to be an adult in the room who was making sure that they weren't right. Apparently that was beyond DWS, and it's a shame since HRC would've won comfortably without the games the DNC played.

    I'm not upset that my candidate didn't win -- I didn't expect him to. I'm upset that Clinton continues to be so sloppy & careless with how she and her people operate.
     
  2. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    And time will come, I think, when the party will appreciate all she's done, and think it dodged a bullet thanks to her, more or less. This will all look very different in two years' time, seems to me.

    [edit-- The oddity here is that the "authoritarian" party was completely helpless in the face of a cooptation movement from outside, but the "liberal" party managed to stop one. I think DWS did what she's supposed to do...]
     
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  3. Matrim55

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    Really? Because it took 24 hours to do it. NPR is reporting that DWS has resigned, effective Thursday night.

    I mean, that felt pretty easy.
     
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  4. Knave

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    May 25, 1999
    I haven't seen any reports that.
     
  5. Dr. Wankler

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    I'm not finding it. Lots of calls for her to resign, with prominence given to Bernie's
     
  6. Knave

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    May 25, 1999
    There may be some confusion about the Clinton campaign taking over the day-to-day DNC operations. But like I said before, that's normally what happens with presidential campaigns.
     
  7. Matrim55

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    Neither have I, but they just said it on Weekend Edition. I'm listening on KQED. They specifically said that she's resigning as of Thursday, rather than in January when her term ends.
     
  8. Knave

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    May 25, 1999
    Actually, it's dawned on me what likely happened.



    In this instance DNC = Democratic National Convention, not Democratic National Committee

    Somebody mixed that up. DSW will not preside over the convention but she has not stepped down from the committee.
     
  9. Dr. Wankler

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    Here's a link to today's show. Do you remember what segment it was in?

    http://www.npr.org/programs/weekend-edition-sunday/

    I only listened to about twenty five minutes.

    Totally killed the puzzle, including the trickier one.
     
  10. Matrim55

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    Relevant part starts at 1:37 (though the whole thing's worth a listen):

    http://www.npr.org/2016/07/24/48723...onvention-2016-what-to-expect-in-philadelphia

    Meanwhile Knave's out in these streets linking stories to Fox News. Amazing how far into the dumpster we'll dive to make sure our favorite candidate looks good. I thought that was just a Bernie thing! :rolleyes:
     
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  11. Dr. Wankler

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    The reporter does in fact say that DWS will leave Thursday rather than in January.
     
  12. Knave

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    May 25, 1999
    First place I looked was r/SandersForPresident. I figured they'd have it before anyone. No dice.

    Then somebody in my Twitter feed linked the Fox story. Saw the #DNC tag and wondered if that wasn't the source of confusion.

    At any rate, I've listened to the NPR piece now, and I'm not sure what to make of it. If she is really stepping down after the convention, I think it'd be all over Twitter right now. I still wonder if this isn't confusion about the Clinton campaign taking over the party apparatus for the general election.
     
  13. Matrim55

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    Maybe, tho NPR has a pretty good record of getting stuff right. Fox News & S4P don't.

    EDIT: Gonna try to get #KnaveWasWrongAgain2016 trending...
     
  14. superdave

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    They should have fired DWS when she refused to support solid Democratic challengers in Florida because the FL GOPers were her friends or some shit.
    That was misleading. Trump cleans up with evangelicals who rarely go to church. At least in the primaries, he did poorly with evangelicals who regularly go to church.

    The takeaway is clear. "Evangelical" is just a tribal identification for many people. They're conservatives/Republicans, so they also identify as constitutional conservatives, and evangelicals, etc., with little understanding of what those things mean.

    Another way of putting it.
     
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  15. riverplate

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    News Alert!!!

    There isn't a single person voting in November who will give a rat's ass whether Debbie Wasserman Schultz (who?) was thrown under a bus or not.

    Donna Brazile will be serving as DNC boss throughout the election, in case it hasn't been mentioned here already.
     
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  16. SpencerNY

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    Dec 1, 2001
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    We should all be talking about the Melania Trump speech guys, that's the real story.
     
  17. roby

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    Well...I care! I was gonna vote for her, but now, I'm not sure. :unsure:
     
  18. roby

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    She must be from Pittsburgh. :)
     
  19. uclacarlos

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    You live in the Boca area???
     
  20. roby

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    Hey....I've been to Chicago many times. I've picked up a few tips on how to make my votes count! :cautious:
     
  21. Dr. Wankler

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    GIVE US BARABBAS!!!!!
     
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  22. superdave

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    IIRC, "bar" means "son of," and "abba" is "Father." So that's a pretty generic statement. "Give us The Guy!" "Give us John Doe!" It's metaphor, and a very beautiful one. Not as beautiful as the metaphor that childbirth is painful because our brains and therefore skulls are so big (and also because walking realigns the hips to make childbirth more painful), but pretty good.
     
  23. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    Well, they tell me that in Modish "Ba" means "look" or "see" and "Rabbas" is plural for "copse," so I have always used it as a futile plea for the return of See-groves... :p
     
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  24. Matrim55

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    That's not true. And it's especially not true if paired with the implied "nobody cares who's in charge of the DNC" angle.

    Sanders ran a campaign with cleaning up the corruption & cronyism of this party as one of the core principles. I'll be voting for Hillary regardless, but it's arrogant of old folks like yourself (and others here) to dismiss what's become a key issue -- and one that won't be going away, given 1) the certainty that there will be more WikiLeaks, and 2) the age of the Sanders electorate.

    If the powers that be in the Democratic party want to maintain their demographic advantages over the GoP, they need to make room for more powers that be.
     
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  25. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    A party is by definition "chronyistic"-- that's the reason the Federalists wished to avoid them way back when, however naively.

    The "corruption" part is primarily a "both sides do it" argument from the other party, bought into by the Bernieites, also however naively. Yes there is some, and yes it should be addressed, but it is "arrogant" to be making it the key factor in your assessment of the current political context.

    The people who have carried the party this far have a certain and proper vested interest in making sure that this year's candidate is one of theirs, not an outsider. That's "cronyism," sure, but it isn't "corruption." This isn't an Olympic event, and DWS wasn't a crooked ref. The playing field isn't supposed to be level-- the Republican nomination would seem to have demonstrated that pretty clearly. It isn't a game-- a level playing field at the expense of millions of diminished lives is bad idealism.

    We need a Socialist party in the US, even those of us who remain capitalists can see that-- but coopting the Democrats isn't necessarily the way to do it. First we need to put a spike through the vampire heart of the Dixiecrats, now resurrected once again as Trump Republicans... then go farther left and make the Dems the conservative party, once the country has moved into the 21st century-- and don't take any "Socialist-- Ick!" crap from your elders. Do it soon, like maybe 2020, before age and mortgages and children rob you of all momentum.

    But to "clean up the cronyism and corruption of this party" while the new Aaron Burr is planning a return to Empire is not young and pure and vigorous; it is foolish, and it will ensure the opposite of your purpose... it is the intraparty equivalent of refusing to raise the debt ceiling-- it is just irresponsible on a level that exceeds that of "cronyism and corruption" by miles.
     
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