USWNT sues USSF 2019 version

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by lil_one, Mar 8, 2019.

  1. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is litigation. The way the system works, each side presents facts and arguments in a way that is most favorable to it. That's the "adversarial system of justice," which is what the US has. Other countries have different systems. So, to criticize either side for doing that is not a good criticism. They're doing exactly what they're supposed to do.
     
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  2. westcoast ape

    westcoast ape Member+

    Nov 27, 2000
    Portland, OR
    Well that's the point, isn't it. You're assuming that I think the lawsuit is somehow right or fair or equitable, and it isn't.
     
  3. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm fully aware of what your position on this lawsuit is. I was just noting a fault in your post.
     
  4. westcoast ape

    westcoast ape Member+

    Nov 27, 2000
    Portland, OR
    Does every lawsuit have merit? Is every disreputable strategy suddenly to be applauded? The women are, as some posters have noted, throwing mud at USSF, knowing full well that USSF can't respond in kind. I think I am within my rights to say that I'm not particularly enamored of that behavior.

    By the way, did I give you the impression that I am unfamiliar with "litigation" and the "adversarial system of justice?"

    Litigation is an exceptional remedy, really, particuarly when one negotiated the contract complained of only two years before, and will do so again only two years hence.
     
  5. westcoast ape

    westcoast ape Member+

    Nov 27, 2000
    Portland, OR
    There wasn't a fault in my post. You're assuming that I didn't know something which was quite obvious, which, as another poster pointed out in a likewise unneeded fashion, is that we have an adversarial system.

    The content of my post (among other things) was to point out the USWNT's unreliability as a source of information and more generally to criticize the lawsuit. Your post, evidently, was to say that lawsuits are a pursuit of advantage and that spin is well-ensconced in the traditions surrounding such lawsuits.

    Even in a lawsuit, mudslinging isn't always an advisable strategy.
     
  6. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    It really isn't about the lawsuit.
     
  7. EvilTree

    EvilTree Member+

    Canadian S.C
    Canada
    Nov 20, 2007
    Frozen Swampland, Soviet Canuckistan
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
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  8. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know why they would wait. One doesn't affect the other, and the outcome is months, if not years, away.
     
  9. HouseofCards

    HouseofCards Member

    Nov 26, 2012
    They shouldn't wait. If they truly want to follow the USWNT lead, they sign the CBA and then sue.
     
  10. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
  11. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    discrimination where?
     
  12. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Where there's a lawyer there's a way.
     
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  13. McSkillz

    McSkillz Member+

    UCLA Bruins
    United States
    Nov 22, 2014
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Buying a bunch of LUNA bars tonight to thank them for their desire to make things easier for our girls.
     
  14. hocbz

    hocbz Member

    Feb 15, 2016
    Are they still filing under the Equal Pay Act? IMO that is a losing argument. Men's and women's sports are not the kind of jobs the Act was designed to protect. Not the same product, working conditions, etc. The equal pay act refers to fungible work - accountants, lawyers, doctors, line workers, etc. working for the same organization with the same title/experience, under the same conditions producing the same work product should get equal pay (of course).

    Not only that, but it sets a crazy precedent that would mean the death of women's teams affiliated with men's teams and possibly women's professional sports in general. Very few owners are going to be willing to pay male and female athletes the same until the economics of women's sport improve.

    I do think they have an argument based on the nature of the federation as a non-profit and their revenue streams being higher. We'll see.
     
  15. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some info on the terms of the current CBA from Caitlin Murray's new book "The National Team":
    -USSF has some group image rights but the players have exclusive control of licensing rights; USSF pays the team $350,000 annually for rights to commercial uses (e.g. advertisements for sponsor)
    -number of contracts dropped to 20 in 2017 (from 24), and drops by one each year until it hits 16 in 2021
    -friendly win bonus increased from $1350 to $5250-$8500 (depends on opponent)
    -non-contract players get $3500 per game (goes up to $3750 after 2021...closer to $5000 of MNT's); contract players do not get the game appearance fee because their base salary is now $100,000 (unclear if this is just Tier 1 or if there are even still tiers?)
    -22 WNT players will be allocated at all times throughout this CBA (until 2021), which indicates players are forced to stay in NWSL but also that some non-contract WNT players are still allocated; NWSL allocated salaries increased to $62500-$67500 (by tier) and have a $2500 annual increase
    -turf fields for games are not banned but must be inspected by federation and players can request photographs fo the field and a report on its condition; players can also offer input on venue selection
    -10 game victory tour is no more! The players felt they had outgrown the need for a victory tour and want to now prioritize club play and agreed to a 4-game post-tournament victory tour only to be held within FIFA windows
    --USSF asked for and received a player ID camp every January for floaters or new players; during the winter, the veteran players are given a 6-week annual rest period (This must have changed a bit because veteran players are definitely still being called into the January camps.)
     
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  16. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member

    May 16, 2014
    Big D
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NO
    NO
    NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO

    And just what in the H. am I going to do in the late Summer and Fall??
    D*mn it, D*mn it, D*mn it.
    What's next, outlawing Birthday observances?!?!?

    Thus guaranteeing an annual barren, soulless, lifeless period.
    Simultaneously, look for the number of Medically Induced Comas to sky-rocket.
     
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  17. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
  18. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member

    May 16, 2014
    Big D
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Lighten up, Francis.

    You can see your favorite WWC players playing real games in the NWSL until October 7.
     
  21. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    Unless they decide to not play to promote their new book...or just because they don't feel like it

    I'm not bitter....
     

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