USWNT sues USSF 2019 version

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by lil_one, Mar 8, 2019.

  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is a 2 year deal.

    So it may expire before the lawsuit in the USA is over ;)
     
  2. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. zdravstvuyte

    zdravstvuyte Member

    Aston Villa
    United States
    Jul 26, 2018
    I’m sure these lobbyists will cherry pick the ‘facts’ as they see fit to bolster their argument.

    I wonder how much money they are costing the USSF?

    The whole concept of lobbyists is reprehensible.
     
  5. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    They're cheaper than lawyers.
     
  6. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    Does that include the bribes lobbyists use?
    But "Rule #13" applies.
     
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  7. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    why is it a bad look ? the establishment have to fight back somehow. The "facts" have become secondary in this debate.
     
  8. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like I said, I get why they did it. Also each side has their own "facts"; USSF's presentation definitely has spin as well. (The timeline that makes it look like USSF was investing in and supporting the women throughout the 90s and early 2000s makes me want to throw something.) But Cordeiro had already issued the open letter, and I'm sure there have been multiple conversations with sponsors and officials to get the information out there.

    This move is more aggressive, and to borrow the USMNTPA's words, it makes USSF look like the big, bad wolf who is willing to "pay lawyers and lobbyists to litigate, arbitrate and lobby against current and former players and just about everyone else in the sport."

    Also any one want to take a guess on how mediation is going? Hopefully, its going better than it seems...
     
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  9. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    i think they are already the big bad wolf though.
     
  10. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    I wonder if this is the end of the contracts. I could see USSF go nuclear in 2021.
     
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  11. William49

    William49 Member

    Nov 11, 2015
    Illinois
    If this happens, I can see FIFA doing the dirty work for US Soccer by suddenly declaring that the players' status as employees of the federation makes the NT a de facto club, and that violates "the spirit of the competition" or somesuch nonsense.

    That way, Carlos can stand at the podium, shrug his shoulders and turn his palms to the sky, "What can we do? FIFA makes the rules."

    Actually, he'd probably send out new GM Kate Markgraf to face the music.
     
  12. HouseofCards

    HouseofCards Member

    Nov 26, 2012
    That's assuming FIFA cares about women's soccer, which they have already proven they don't. FIFA isn't touching this one!
     
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  13. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    By nuclear option, I mean USSF saying the contract will be the exact equal to the men. If there is a strike, it's 16 women, a few of which are at the end of their careers and easily replaced.
     
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  14. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Yes, because we all know the lawyers for the USWNT hasn't been picking ANY cherries.

    Hey, we agree. Of course it's the inevitable consequence of stupid shit that Congress does to try to control markets and businesses.
     
  15. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Unless those 16 break away from the USWNTPA, they aren't going to be the only ones striking.
     
  16. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    If memory serves, few women vote on the contracts. Part of the Sermanni kerfuffle was the pool and those eligible to vote was about to widen.

    Of course, I may be wrong.
     
  17. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The federal criminal courts have already proven that they DGAF what FIFA considers standard operating procedure...:)
     
  18. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If some members of Congress have introduced legislation on the soccer pay issue (which most likely would be pure grandstanding since it would be extremely unlikely to pass), it would be crazy for the USSF not to have hired lobbyists. Organizations with support on both sides of the aisles hire lobbyists, to provide information and arguments on matters they're interested in and to protect themselves against Congress doing something stupid. Individual citizens lobby individually.

    If it's a "bad look" for the USSF, that's not because it's bad. It's because those looking are being dumb.

    Plus, in this particular case, hardly anyone cares whether they've hired lobbyists one way or the other.
     
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  19. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    You are not wrong and I bet the WNT would like everyone to forget that happened.
     
  20. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
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  21. BrooklynSoccer

    BrooklynSoccer Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    The Fed hired DC lobbyist in effort to stop forthcoming legislation in the the House and Senate that would require equal payment. We all know what happens with DC lobbyists, the Fed is trying to now buy politicians.

    US Soccer is incredulous and a disappointment.
     
  22. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Aside from such a law obliterating the concept of freedom of association and contract (and flirting with prior restraint) it is impossible to enforce and is a very bad idea .

    At this point, I can't blame them. Lawmakers are preparing to act almost entirely out of ignorance in order to secure some votes.

    Umm...

    Well, this is a given.
     
  23. BrooklynSoccer

    BrooklynSoccer Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    What are you talking about?
    The first bill or second bill submitted? There's a better argument to made the second bill, which asks for equal pay for men's and women's national teams, will only strengthen "freedom of association".

    Both bill submitted are only in relation to National sports teams. So, what do you mean?
     
  24. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    These are private entities.

    Does it really matter?

    In what earthly way?

    Not sure why it matters. USSF is a private employer.
     

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