USWNT lawsuit against USSF for getting paid less than USMNT

I've always been as big of a fan of the WNT as the MNT. The last lawsuit put me off, and I stopped watching for a while. But, after the new deal was negotiated (they should stay on the same quality hotels and play on the same quality fields) I came back. But, this trashing of the men. And, dishonest negotiate/sue cycle is b.s. I will not be following the WNT or cheering for them at WC19. I hope they flame out before the knock out rounds. I really enjoy women's soccer, so I'll watch WC19, but I'll cheer for France, Japan, and whichever other team strikes my fancy. Will continue to cheer against Germany & Brazil.

 

It is certainly more "efficient" and a better bargaining position, but who is that helping more? The MNT, or the WNT? I'm inclined to think the WNT are benefiting more from the current arrangement.

I'm reminded of the absurd complaints from the WNBA. The league is propped up by the NBA (much like how the NWSL, and a half dozen failed leagues over the last decade, have been funded by the USSF), and yet the players complain that they don't receive enough compensation for "the same work".

The MNT vs WNT is less-silly, because the revenue generation may well be closer in some years. But if most of the money is tied into TV/Ads for BOTH, we come back to the issue here that we don't really know what's worth what.

I think 99 percent of people, if they're honest, know that the answer isn't in the WNT's favor...

 

You may not be able to give any details, but I'm interested in how to reconcile these kinds of issues, at least in my own head.

For one thing, these are collectively-bargained issues, which would mean it's understandable to want as much money as possible, which is an allowable, even encouraged, thing in capitalism.

Lying to get what you want is not encouraged, but we have "lies damned lies, and statistics", so is anyone at fault for trying to use stats to improve their position? Perhaps there are lies of omission in the suit, on both sides, which would be bad.

How do you distinguish between individuals negotiating worse salaries and companies paying less as a matter of course? And how, outside of a bottom-line metric like sales, can you compare the value of employees vs. each other without really subjective metrics?

 

Should the Paralympic, Beach, Futsal, and YNTs all be paid the same as the MNT and WNT then?

 

That person wouldn't have to be men's college level.

 

Dude, I want to work for you.

 

disagree with feminism = incel. Gotcha

 

You're right. You're not a lawyer. More like an idiot. What would be "illegal" about having two separate federations?

What's horrible about it? You've got nothing, other than name calling.

And, Incel? what does that mean? If somehow in your twisted 10 year old mind, it means that you think that I oppose women's rights, you're quite stupid. Based on their comments, the women should be beating down the USSF's doors to create a separate Fed.

 

The timing of the lawsuit is in incredibly bad taste. And to me it hurts the players as well...outside of their bubble, the facts don’t look good.

Why isn’t that field “international soccer?” Isnt that what many lawsuits are about, who gets to decide the relevant comparables? I’m just wondering why you’re so unambiguous about this point.

And now we’re back to incel territory.

Just so everyone knows, those of us who don’t live in deadly fear of Chads see a post like this and are going to have a hard time taking your posts seriously, because it’s advancing a stupid, insincere argument.

But you do you.

 

??? Really?

Www.fifa.com

 

Find a way to work in "neckbeard", "m'lady", "edge", and "supreme gentleman", and you'll be well on your way!

You'll still be wrong, but you'll win internet points on tumblr! Yay!

 

As opposed to the Deep Thought of a soccer Renee Richards.

 

Who?

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renée_Richards

 

They skewed the 2000 presidential election in Florida. Remember?

 

Huh, never heard of her.

The "Deep Thought" really revolves around competitiveness. It's illegal for women and men to take steroids, such as testosterone, and compete in sports professionally. If a man takes estrogen or undergoes reassignment surgery, they've still been living and training with comparatively elevated testosterone, let alone denser bone structure and a different musculature system.

There's a reason people were upset at Fallon Fox not disclosing that she was a male fighter that simply began competing as a female...

 

I wasn’t talking about the technical, scientific question of the fairness of transgender athletes. I was getting at someone bringing up some college boy changing his gender to play for the USWNT. I didn’t think that was helpful at furthering the discussion.

 

You would be wrong.