USWNT lawsuit against USSF for getting paid less than USMNT

Not to be a dick, but are either of you guys lawyers? Experts in gender discrimination law? If not, how the hell can you assert this?

 

They should be paid the same for every friendly and competitive match. The revenue the men's games gets should have nothing to do with it.

 

Is this a moral argument or a legal argument? If it’s a legal argument, could you flesh it out? If it’s a moral argument, how do you respond to the counterargument that the men shouldn’t have to subsidize the women.

Here’s a question that comes to mind...how does the Fed’s spending on every other aspect of women’s soccer vs. men’s soccer, everything beyond the senior national team, compare? Was get that the USWNT is a union acting as a union, but to reiterate my earlier point about their selfishness, why aren’t they suing about everything else? I suspect the reason is that, guess what, all the youth programs are money losers too but the Fed treats boys and girls equally.

But that’s just a guess in my part.

 

Does that mean female professors or engineers, as groups, negotiating lower salaries than do their male counterparts is considered the fault of the universities or companies?

 

Nevermind, I've read an article on it.

 

You’re just repeating yourself.

 

OK, so I read couple of articles on the EEOC and the Equal Pay Act. I'm an expert, now.

My conclusion is that the USWNT and the USMNT are not in the same industry. The USWNT is in the women's soccer industry. The USMNT is in the men's soccer industry. Therefore, the ladies have no case vis a vis the EPA. Dismissed

 

There's been a thread going on it for about 3 years now in USA Men:

US women soccer players want equal pay to US men's team.

 

Athletes are ultimately entertainers. Those that entertain the most get the most money. That's the way it is. The money doesn't come from heaven, it comes from paying customers.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/sports/soccer/usmnt-uswnt-soccer-equal-pay.html

 

a simple way to deal with it would be to structure the pay scale so that both the men and women recieve an equal percentage of the revenue generated by the games they play in. If the women generate similar revenues, they will earn similar wages. It could be done as an average (yearly, moving average etc) so that the pay per game is relatively constant over the year.

 

Are there posters here who believe that even if the two teams bring in the same amount of revenue, it’s fine for the men’s team to be paid more?

 

Which would make perfect sense and should be something the WNT union could negotiate for.

The ancillary stuff like per deim, practice facilities, hotels, etc-there’s zero reason those shouldn’t be identical to the MNT.

 

Genuine question: do you feel that way because you feel that it’s irrelevant who brings in the revenue because they all belong to USSF at the end of the day, or do you feel that way because it’s the right thing to do, in your mind?

 

Respectfully, I couldn’t disagree more. If the men’s games provide higher revenues then the men should get higher amount (but same percentage).

Or don’t pay any national team member at all (other than a modest per firm for expenses).

 

If memory serves, hotels for FIFA sanctioned tournaments are decided by FIFA. Certain national teams were staying in upper end hotels while others were stating in fleabags so FIFA stepped in. This had led to some uncomfortable situations as opposing teams are sometimes in the same hotel.

 

I feel the women should be paid the same as it's irrelevant who brings in the money. However, I don't believe for a second the women want to be treated as equals. SheBelieves, Tournament of Nations and Victory Tours should all be stopped immediately. No more guaranteed roster spots, benefits or pensions. All women should receive the same compensation for starting a family that Bradley received. Lloyd went AWOL from her club for a month after crashing out of the Olympics. I can't imagine Pulisic getting away with that. Yes, the women should receive equal treatment and pay if that's what they truly want.

 

Is it truly the case that you didn't bother to look on the USWNT page and see that a thread had been up for 15 hours when you posted this?

And, you call yourself a WNT fan .....

 

No.

 

My bad. Being one, I assume most are.

 

The answer is easy. Just split the federation. A women's fed and a men's fed. When the tv contract comes up again, SUM can negotiate their deal with each entity independently.

And, that's really what makes this complex, is the media/marketing deal for the two teams is one deal. Hard to tease out where the revenue should be attributed.

Just make 2 Feds, then the women can pull their chickensh*t negotiate a deal, sue, negotiate a deal, sue cycle on the women's fed.

If there is some FIFA problem with having separate feds, then have both under one umbrella. They could even loan each other $$ from year to year. But, it would be a loan. And, each Fed would be legally responsible for itself.