USWNT lawsuit against USSF for getting paid less than USMNT

we are hearing voices that the rest of us can't hear

 

so the men can sue for equal pay then?

 

just saying that if everything is pegged to attendance and/or tv viewership, the usmnt is showing poorly.

 

and how about since then?

 

well that's a bit disingenuous, no? you missed a women's world cup. but keep pushing back.

 

How much did it make the Fed? Keep in mind it was in the ideal non-US location.

 

I see a lot of cherry picking here where each side points to a big money maker. What is the total for either over a four year cycle? That would be the best comparison as events always repeat but only on a four year cycle. Not sure how forthcoming the Fed is with reporting events though so even that may be hard to be accurate on.

 

A real hard-ball approach would be to offer them the same per game pay as the men, and then after they accept it (thinking they'll earn more yearly income) schedule the exact same number of games as the men.

 

I’m sure this is not news but the question I have is: FIFA awards $440M prize money in total for the 22 WC. They are proposing a $60m purse for the 23 WWC. How would supporters of the USWNT explain this disparity and why have they not sued FIFA?

The US fed can’t miracle up money to balance the disparity in prize money, and Cindy Parlow Cone now wants the USMNT to just donate their prize money to the women to balance the scales? T

 

The question still stands though: there is a massive disparity in prize money for the two tournaments without a significant difference in the specific work performed. Yet no one in their right mind would suggest awarding a prize purse of $440M for the WWC. Is that not exactly the kind of discrimination they are claiming? Same job, same pay.

 

same work performed...but for some reason the men's game attracts a much bigger audience...that's the reality of the marketplace for the two games

 

but different sources of pay. fifa is not governed by our laws/constitution etc so pay/prize money etc from a foreign entity in a global tournament would be irrelevant to US laws and policies. The payments to US players (from USSF) playing in those tournaments is what is relevant.

I'm not a Lawyer, but that is my take.

 

perhaps FIFA should give up oversight of the women's game...let a different organization take over, negotiate rights etc

that way there won't be any questions about the people who run the men's game discriminating against the women

 

This is my point. It seems there is a very basic and obvious answer for the money discrepancy that for some reason can’t be said in US court rooms.

 

I am curious whether any of you are members of a bar anywhere

I am a member of the California State Bar

 

What frustrates me is the insistence that people deny the physical, financial, and popularity realities surrounding the sport.

I understand that USSF's employment of both teams is what opens the door to these kinds of arguments, but if you keep telling people that the sky isn't blue, they're going to eventually tell you to kick rocks. It's not at all clear that the WNT and MNT perform the same jobs. The fact that only one team would be able to succeed playing in the other's competitions would seem to suggest a pretty one-way reverse-compatibility that complicates the idea of "equal work". It's clear that there are differences in money and fan eyeballs. Is such a difference today the result of the accrual of popularity in the Men's game over decades? Yes, the Matthew Principle strikes again. If such a thing matters to you, and you're of the opinion that such a reality requires a redistribution to close the gap, then be flat-out about that instead of pretending that water isn't wet.

If the MNT union doesn't kowtow to whatever the USSF tries to negotiate collectively with the WNT and MNT unions, I can't see a way forward with the USSF's governance of the WNT. They could choose to simply not deal with the MNT, but I don't think that's the way this would work out.

 

The women's game doesn't need FIFA or the USSF. It should have it's own organizational structure, free to pursue its best interests without hindrance from FIFA and USSF.

Alternatively, the men's game can set up its own separate and independent governing structure.