USL Expansion General discussion

Discussion in 'USL Expansion' started by mikehurst21, Jan 4, 2016.

  1. Threeke

    Threeke Member

    Feb 26, 2016
  2. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stompers!
     
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  4. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The team that was announced and folded was in San Francisco

    This one is in the East Bay, so different beast entirely. And frankly it's far more exciting news, someone is finally taking a proper view toward expansion, ie: taking their time. Rather than just throwing yet another D2 on the fire to flame out quickly as the last few have done in the Bay Area, which have all been in San Francisco proper or very close to SF proper. They've chosen the oft, ignored side of the Bay, that is soon to be lacking in any major league teams. They're taking their time to build an actual venue for D2 soccer where none currently exists in the Bay Area. They're taking time to undoubtedly build up interest, a fan base, sell tickets, market, etc... Frankly this is the most exciting D2 news to hit the Bay Area in a very long time.
     
  5. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CB6E016C-01F7-4C7E-A6C7-84796972F70F.jpeg Hey, years ago, it was way worse. (From the December 2003 edition of ThreeSixOne.)
     
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  6. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Broken link
     
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  7. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s not a link. It’s an image. I see it just fine. If you don’t, that’s on BigSoccer, not me.
     
  8. When Saturday Comes

    Apr 9, 2012
    Calgary
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    This. Never understood why teams in some leagues are rushed. A 2 or 3 year lead time can allow a new club to fix a lot of early mistakes.
     
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  9. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know it was in San Francisco.

    Not arguing that they are taking time and developing it, and it could be the proper thing to do. But, 4 years from now, who knows what the soccer landscape will be? I'm not in East Bay. Not sure how much "excitement" there'll be in 2018 for a team that won't play until 2021. I've never been a fan of a team that doesn't exist and won't for 3 years.

    While there is 3 years to build it up, there's also 3 years for it to never get off the ground.
     
  10. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Usually because you generate very little revenue before you play games, yet you have to expend money in that time.

    I know, people should be prepared for that. But that is not the world in which we live.

    Still, this is, I believe, the longest lead time I have ever seen.
     
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  11. matbluvenger

    matbluvenger Member+

    Reno 1868
    United States
    Aug 2, 2010
    Reno, NV
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Holy crap, and I thought waiting from mid-September 2015 (team announcement) to March 2017 was bad...
     
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  12. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Frankly I take it as another good sign that they're willing to take those modest losses for 3 years while they get it right. Shows they're not quite as fly by night (read "relatively speaking poor") as the average people who buy into these leagues and flame out in less time than these guys will be waiting.
     
  13. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure they could always start early if they have everything together.
     
  14. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Raiders II
     
  15. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oakland Shanghai
     
  16. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, I don’t think the lead time is a bad thing. Especially since it involves building a stadium. (15k seems optimistic to me, though.)
     
  17. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    15K does seem like a lot for USL. But who knows, they may have delusions of grandeur they’re at least smart enough to not say out loud... yet.
     
  18. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe every expansion team from here on in will be more like Cincinnati and less like Charlotte.
     
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  19. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I said it once it initially happened, and have to bring up the same...it didn't matter the team, Charlotte just hasn't shown much. The Charlotte Eagles were successful, but lacked support. Independence are nowhere near successful and continue with the struggles.

    Somewhat fitting, as the Eagles had a great product on the field and Charlotte failed to back them. Maybe Charlotte doesn't deserve a team after all.
     
  20. Owen Thornhill

    Dec 22, 2012
    Club:
    Cork City
    15k sounds good to me, But maybe build the stadium in stages build 5k and start and expand to 10k and if needed 15k. I can see Sacremento Fans travelling in numbers. Question: How many fans did Sacremento bring to Reno this year?
     
  21. matbluvenger

    matbluvenger Member+

    Reno 1868
    United States
    Aug 2, 2010
    Reno, NV
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    About 60-70 for the first one, 50-60 for the end of the season match.
     
  22. Owen Thornhill

    Dec 22, 2012
    Club:
    Cork City
    I was expecting more, but Oakland is closer so should make over 100 in away fans at least.
     
  23. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What makes you think 40 miles equals 40 more fans?
     
  24. Owen Thornhill

    Dec 22, 2012
    Club:
    Cork City
    A hour less driving each way, makes a big difference if I'm driving somewhere.
     
  25. Dr. Venture

    Dr. Venture New Member

    Feb 5, 2018
    #650 Dr. Venture, Feb 6, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2018
    On USL East Bay, I think it is interesting yet risky locating away from the Center of the East Bay, Oakland.

    Unless they have some dynamo branding and ad campaign, just seems like it could be easily ignored in Contra Costa. Or am I misreading things?

    That aside, we have Memphis, Birmingham, Chicago, MAYBE Austin (I hope) Baltimore and DC United USL confirmed. Hartford and ABQ, New Mexico (check Soc Takes) are heavily rumored. Any other ones I missed?

    Shame San Fran fell through.

    MLS Targets include Cincy, Sactown and PHX. I think all three should be able to get in, especially Sac and PHX as they are rapidly growing markets with heavy Latino presence.

    After that, it sounds like we'd hit the end of expansion in USL. Wishfully thinking, however, I'd like to see Detroit City FC, New Orleans and perhaps Milwaukee and the Hampton Roads area. Would also be nice if Beckham United bought rights to the Strikers name and made an affiliate in Fort Lauderdale.
     
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