Post-match: USA vs. Venezuela - June 9, 2019

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by schrutebuck, Jun 9, 2019.

  1. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It only happens with our better players when they train under Berhalter. When they are with their professional clubs (Dortmund, Schalke, TB Leipzig, and Newcastle) they are much faster.

    Why oh why did we not signs Tata?
     
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  3. TxEx

    TxEx Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur, Crystal Palace, FC Dallas
    Aug 19, 2016
    DFW
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Are they going to make it out of the group stage at this point?
     
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  4. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jozy did well today, at least compared to Zardes, that's for sure.

    But I think the point of the roster was, you can load up on young, talented players. If we were playing like this without the old guys (MB, Jozy, Ream, OG) and the never-were guys (Trapp, Zardes, Arriola), people wouldn't be upset.
     
  5. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Most likely we will have to go through Honduras then... Jamaica. I think there is every possibility that we see a repeat of 2015.
     
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  6. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah- JK had enormous problems, but at least his teams didn’t leak goals.
     
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  7. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because they provide no width and no defensive presence. It's like how Trapp is much-maligned. Why? Because a player in his position should be doing something.

    3G's LB's don't do much of anything at all. So may as well make them CB's (where they won't get roasted on headers) or orthodox LB's (where they will be able to track back and provide width.

    As with many things, 3G tries something that accomplishes neither.
     
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  8. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    What did Jozy do today besides pass off and look at the sky? He seemed disgusted at what was going on behind him. Did he or Zardes get any shots? I dont think so.
     
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  9. TxEx

    TxEx Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur, Crystal Palace, FC Dallas
    Aug 19, 2016
    DFW
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Because they're symptomatic of the issue of not choosing the best players or at the very least not choosing the player with the most upside to improve. They're not the answer so why are we bothering with them in the first place? Now I will agree that they're not the most important problem but again if you're not part of the solution they are part of the problem. Though at this point GGG is the biggest problem.
     
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  10. neems

    neems Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Apr 14, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, it seems like every LB we play becomes much maligned. Those two were solid, if unspectacular and to suggest the game would improve if they could provide width in attack is really, REALLY looking past a lot of major problems these past two games. As I said, LB was the absolute least of our worries.
     
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  11. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bring on Dest and Gloster
    Make Mckennie Captain - he always looks semi pissed off
    Boyd looked good
     
  12. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is because Berhalter is outcoaching himself by trying to be too clever. Elaborate tactical schemes are for club teams that train together week in and week out, not national teams where players come in three days before the game. The national teams that can get away with his scheming are the ones where most of the players come from only one or two clubs.

    When the players are distracted by trying to figure out a new system with teammates they're not extremely familiar with, the speed of thought slows down and players are more prone to unforced errors. This is why our Europe-based players perform well with their clubs against much stronger opposition than this Venezuela team, and then look terrible under Berhalter.
     
  13. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bring on Llanez, Dest, Richards, Pomykal and That other kid.
     
  14. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    This is exactly where I'm at. Take Mexico to the wire in the final or GTFO.

    Then again, unlike a lot of people here, I'm also pessimistic about the future of our prospects coming up from the youth ranks with the exception of a couple guys here and there. We're running out of dual nationals to unearth.

    Go figure my two main don't miss a game sports teams are the USMNT and the Detroit Lions. So many parallels in both organizations right now. Might as well just go along for the ride and hope to be pleasantly surprised.
     
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  15. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I watched this shit today. Jozy played well. He’s not a world-beater,but he did a good job trying to collect the ball and initiate the attack. That’s what target strikers do.
     
  16. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't believe I'm saying this, but at this point I miss how the USMNT played under Dave Sarachan. He seemed to have no over-arching plan, but at least he called in some decent rosters and the guys played hard under him.

    This looks like a complete hot mess; there is a reliance on technically-deficient players who are not fit for this system, and in fact the guys look confused on where they’re even supposed to be during the run of play.

    I blame the manager at this point for trying to force square pegs into round holes, but I also really blame US Soccer for waiting forever and a day to start anew with this current cycle. This is utterly embarrassing.
     
  17. USSoccerNova

    USSoccerNova Member+

    Sep 28, 2005
    They should use this as the game summary on ussoccer.com. A picture (er, video) truly is worth 1000 words.
     
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  18. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
  19. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it should depend on both results and how he gets the results.

    If he keeps playing his system and we're not in the Gold Cup final, he has to go. If he pulls the plug on his tactical experiments and we do poorly, give him a little longer to right the ship (the Gold Cup roster is already set) but keep him on a short leash; one or two more camps with "system" players and he's out.
     
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  20. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    None.

    I remember a take from Mia Hamm, who said something along the lines of, "If we want an easy game, we play a U-16 boys team. If we want a competitive match, we play U-18s. If we want to get hammered, we play U-20s."
     
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  21. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's "the system" that's the issue. When GGG finally played an orthodox LB.... he put him at wingback in a 3-4-3. When he's in his system, he's playing a bad CB at LB or an MLS nobody.
     
  22. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair, WNT's lose to U16 boys teams all the time. Wouldn't call those "easy".
     
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  23. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Steffen’s distribution is starting to make Hamid’s look world-class.
     
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  24. neems

    neems Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Apr 14, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I was being tongue in cheek saying that. Just rubbing salt at this point.
     
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  25. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that quote from Mia Hamm was about U-15, U-16, and U-17 teams. (Boys grow fast in that age range. The USWNT has been fairly competitive with U-16 boys teams, but has been hammered by the US U-17 boys every time they scrimmaged.)
     
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