Post-match: USA vs Mexico Gold Cup final 7/7/19

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by tomásbernal, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member

    May 31, 2016
    Go away -
    Roldan
    Zardes
    Lovitz
    Morris

    Maybe keep-
    Arriola
    Miazga

    Thanks for everything-
    Ream
    Bradley

    Revelation -
    Cannon

    Needs to find consistency-
    Steffen
    Mckennie


    BRING IN NOW -
    Adams
    Sargent
    Weah
    Pomykal
    Brooks


    Please play some first team games soon-
    Dest
    Richards
    Ledezma
    Soto
    Gloster

    Convince to switch -
    Kik


    Gregg can leave too
     
  2. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    (1) Cannon
    (2) General defensive organization
     
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  3. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    You get the Ball, you look up and Jozy is covered and your options are pass it back to Rafa, wait for Wes to come help or push forward and pass it to Arriola or Morris to ruin a good chance. Yeah, I don't think he needs to learn to pass is the issue.
     
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  4. nbarbour

    nbarbour Member

    Jun 19, 2006
    Washington DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How can you be hopeful when it’s obvious that we have a coach that is in over his head. Possibly our talent gap qualifies us for the World Cup, but we have a coach that couldn’t remotely sniff a national team job anywhere else.
     
  5. manq360

    manq360 Member

    Jun 17, 2009
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with whoever said it was going to come down to the coaches. From what I saw, the teams both had good and bad plays, but Mexican coach made more efficient changes. No one has mentioned the several times that Altidore knelt down on the field, not sure why. He played okay for first 30 minutes or so and then just ran out of steam. Much too bulky to be a 90 minute player, and we needed 90 minute players. Thought defense looked ok, with the exception of Bradley. He did, however, provide a few good crosses. I also liked McKennie's tenacity...he took the captain's armband seriously, as he should. I would have liked to seen Boyd brought in for some speed, but I think he must have gotten on Gregg's bad side or something. Roldan did make a couple solid plays. Morris was ok. I still like Arriola, but he does have limitations. Lots of hustle though, which is what we need. He and Boyd on either side with Pulisic playing off of them would seem like a good start when Gregg is putting together his next team. No to Zardez. Cannon played well. We still need several good forwards...like the one sent home, perhaps.
     
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  6. mette72

    mette72 Member

    Sep 29, 2000
    CA
    This! I spit my beer out laughing...perhaps the funniest thing I have read in a while!
     
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  7. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seriously? I thought we'd be in line for the "Fouls Like a Central American Minnow" Award
     
  8. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fixed.
     
  9. USSoccerNova

    USSoccerNova Member+

    Sep 28, 2005
    So we've been told that Berhalter is a student of the game (which I like in principle), but after tonight's subs I have to wonder if he actually understands what he's studying? Reminds me of the classic A Fish Called Wanda scene where Wanda tells Otto that apes (meaning him) might read philosophy but that doesn't mean they understand it. I'd love to see the press go off on Berhalter like this regarding his coaching acumen and understanding of the game:

     
  10. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    If he did sub Bradley... it would be Trapp and that would be even worse. Small side bar GB gives Weston the armband and yet every time they showed the huddle, all I see is Bradley talking. Even after the game... they interview Bradley. He wasnt the friggin captain and certainly not any kind of force anymore
     
  11. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Berhalter was badly outcoached.

    Pizzaro switched sides at half - and was hugely dangerous. Partially because he could be 100% confident that Ream was never going upfield because of our incredibly predictable, scoutable game plan.

    Subs were atrocious. Thought the game needed Roldan? If it did, it was for Bradley, not Morris. If Morris needed to come out, Boyd. Was Jody really so gassed? Was bringing on Lovitz going to help get a tying goal?

    Berhalter lost his matchup by more than Bradley, and Bradley was OK in the first and eaten alive in the second.

    I liked that we played with a lot of passion and physicality. Players came together and learned each other more. Cannon has a shot to be on this squad for a long time. He and Boyd moved themselves way up the depth chart this tourney, not sure anyone else did. CB depth chart seems the same, we need to move away from Ream as a LB and have him on the CB depth chart, and we need CP and Wes to keep improving.
     
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  12. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Slim hope from this moron.
     
  13. Flipstar508

    Flipstar508 Member

    Sep 7, 2006
    Worcester, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we ever have to see Jozy and Zardes play kickball for the US again I’m blaming it on Weah
     
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  14. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pass the f*cking ball to them. They are your teammates, and if they've gotten into open position you've gotta deliver the pass. If he doesn't make the pass he's gonna get creamed. Making that pass with regularity makes opposing defenders think twice about making you mashed potatoes.
     
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  15. mckersive

    mckersive Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    New York City
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess I’m not the only one who thinks this way.

    I would have been happier with a sub for MB90 (anybody who could run), sub out Jozy (it they felt like they need to for health reasons) for Boyd and have Boyd go Right and Morris lead the line and see if he could hold up the ball.
     
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  16. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Two or three of those play tonight, we win.
     
  17. skim172

    skim172 Member+

    Feb 20, 2013
    Donovan saying the USA was missing key players like "Adams, Brooks, and Josh Sargent."

    Yeah, Donovan - if only Sargent had been available. :rolleyes:
     
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  18. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    While I'd like to take this as a positive, it just reminds me of 1990's US soccer.
     
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  19. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's the proverbial player that couldn't score in a whorehouse.

    If his best asset is tracking back on defense, play play him at left fullback instead of Ream. At least he will provide some balance going forward instead of being anchored to the goal line.
     
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  20. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    All I can say is: Pulisic, McKennie, and Adams. I will buy you guys drink whenever you want them.

    I feel absolutely terrible for these boys. They deserve a much better Nat coach.
     
  21. Axldru

    Axldru Member

    Jun 17, 2006
    Tampa
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    This program is a steaming pile of shit and will be for many years to come.
     
  22. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thread is over!
     
  23. emoney

    emoney Member

    May 10, 2008
    Bozeman, Montana
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    yep
     
  24. StormTrooper

    StormTrooper Member

    Jun 18, 2002
    ATX
    Lovitz as your last sub down 1 v Mexico with 10 minutes left is like starting Brad Davis vs Germany in a World Cup match. If Lovitz was the answer, what was the question?
     
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  25. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes — that should have been in my earlier list of takeaways from the game.

    (1) Cannon
    (2) defensive organization
    (3) passion and physicality

    If we had played at that level of passion a couple of years ago at T&T, we'd have made it to Russia.
     

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