PBP: USA vs France; June 9th, 2018

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Sebsasour, Jun 9, 2018.

  1. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    I said Twellman is not qualified to determine if a player must come out.

    I have no problem if a team would like to determine whether a player can continue

    Finally, the LOTG require that a player must temporarily leave a game if bleeding
     
  2. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 6, 2006
    if a player is bleeding and laying on the ground holding their head...they should come out and be evaluated.

    tt is 100% correct and 100% qualified to say that. He didn't say that he 100% without a doubt had a serious life altering concussion...he has said many times before in that situation that players need to be evaluated in that situation...and they do.

    oh by the way he never determined if anyone should come out or not. I don't think the staffs from either side heard him say that and went on that to determine whether they should stay in or not.
     
  3. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shame this bunch wasn’t on field last year. It may not hav been pretty, but they took everything the French threw at them like a collective Rocky Balboa...
     
  4. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not at all. I'm actually wondering if you both got hit by shotputs, not me!

    I'm thinking that a cut to the head isn't necessarily enough to injure a player such that they leave the game. Much like how a clash of heads isn't necessarily enough to injure a player and take them out of the game.

    You put the two potential injuries together and, to borrow from our opponents... voila! Hitting your head and having a bleeding head may or may not preclude you from the game. It depends on the evaluation on the player, something you seem to think is being protested/argued against.

    TT's concerned about head injuries because his career was cut short by them. He's going to err on the side of just getting them out of there. I think we should just get them evaluated, and let independent medical professionals sort it out. To repeat, please read this slowly to understand it: Injuries that look bad (e.g my shotput story) may not be so bad. Injuries that may look innocuous may in fact indicate a deeper, worse issue.
     
  5. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/38/6/678

    Abstract
    Athletes are at risk of blood borne infections through bleeding injuries or injection of drugs with contaminated syringes. Prevention should focus on reducing non-sport associated risky behaviour, as well as dealing appropriately with bleeding injuries. The risk of transmission of hepatitis B virus is particularly high in athletes in contact and collision sports, those who live in or travel to endemic regions, injecting drug abusers, and those who practice first aid when there is no healthcare practitioner available. It is recommended that such athletes, and also adolescent athletes, should be vaccinated against the virus as a routine.

    https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/ConditionsAndTreatments/hiv-hepatitis-and-sport


    To become infected with HIV or hepatitis B or C while playing sports, body fluids such as blood from an infected person would need to enter your bloodstream through:
    • a significant abrasion (cut) on your skin
    • a bleeding wound
    • your mucous membranes (such as in your mouth or eyes).
    HIV and hepatitis B are spread in similar ways.
     
  6. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    On My Squatty Potty
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Suyuntuy, do I really need to point out the bleeding occurred as a result of the collision and there was no contact between the two after they started bleeding?

    If they started rubbing their bloody heads against one another, that would be different. Alas, they did not.
     
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  7. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    The chance is small, but it's enough for one drop to contact your open wound, and a contact wound can spray. So if both got them, there is a tiny risk.

    At any rate, I wouldn't be opposed to soccer being played with helmets eventually. Head-to-head collisions are dangerous for many other reasons, too.
     
  8. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except if you are losing by 2.
     
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  9. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Green goal was part luck, if you look at the replay he was just aiming for the nutmeg, if his shot didn't ricochet off the defender's leg, it would have gone wide.
     
  10. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    YVAN EHT NIOJ
    Jan 9, 2004
    3 blocks from "SoccerHouse", Chicago
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    As a hockey player though, let me tell you getting the stink out of a helmet is not an easy task.
     
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  11. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Club:
    Colón de Santa Fe
    I may have mistaken the tone of your post it seems....

    My apologies, I thought you were serious.
     
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  12. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    turning and hitting the ball like that past the GK almost always involves luck. But some forwards are more lucky than others.
     
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  13. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 6, 2006
    there is some luck on any goal
    was he lucky it perfectly nutmegged defender, sure
    was he lucky lloris gave him the near post, sure
    was he lucky got by loris, sure

    it was a good goal but the fact is he wasn't very good in the match.
     
  14. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Dallas won today and everybody on the team got a WS rating above 7.0 except their 3 midfielders who scored below 7.0 and the lowest rating of all went to Kellyn Acosta. He was flop of the match.
     
  15. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No worries, man. It happens to the best of us.
     
  16. myluck

    myluck New Member

    Mar 8, 2018
    Zack Steffen new USA secretary of defense. The future of our defense looking really good.
     
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  17. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was happy with Steffen and the defensive shape, I was unhappy with the frequency of giving the ball away cheaply in possession in the middle of the field (or worse). I’m hoping it’s a composure thing that these kids will learn as they grow, but at some point I would like to see a US team be able to regularly maintain possession into the final third against top competition. If they get there against elite opponents, it would represent genuine progress.
     
  18. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I hope Stewart and company can hire someone who can really develop this great young nucleus we have. And I hope the kids play all of the 2022 cycle. Out with the old and in with the new.
     
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  19. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    #619 smokarz, Jun 10, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2018

    If I am Stewart, my first requirement of the new coach would be:

    "I don't want any key players of the failed WCQ campaign on the roster going forward, with the exception of CP and Yedlin"
     
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  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Difficult for me to argue against that rule.

    There may be a few more names of players but I do not want to see more than a handful of players who played in the 2018 cycle.
    These kids plus other kids who are not even on this roster are going to be really good.
     
  21. shnaggletooth

    shnaggletooth Member+

    Jun 23, 2002
    "GIROUD HEAD INJURY!!!!"

    Let's just forget about the other guy who's also gesticulating in extreme pain and who looks even more like he just had his head forcibly dunked into a bucket of blood, but..."GIROUD HEAD INJURY!!!!"

    :rolleyes:

    (I know you're not the one who posted that Tweet, Suyuntuy.).
     
  22. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    YVAN EHT NIOJ
    Jan 9, 2004
    3 blocks from "SoccerHouse", Chicago
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Honestly we say this type of thing at the start of every new cycle. Remember how optimistic we all were for the Czech game in fall of 2014 and the young players there? Some players will pan out, some won't and we'll still have holes to fill in the starting 11. If DaMarcus Beasley and Kyle f-cking Beckerman managed to put in competent bordering on good performances in the last World Cup, I would hardly be surprised to see a Jozy Altidore in the 23 in 2022.
     
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  23. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Youtube: Jimmy Dore, Secular Talk
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #623 thedukeofsoccer, Jun 10, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2018
    I wasn't excited overall. I remember liking what I saw from Gyau, but he got persistently injured, so what you gonna do.

    Klinsmann refused to integrate players from MLS or countries that weren't traditional powers (how he missed Bjorn too) outside Jan. camp because of snobbish and ignorance. This squad had a few guys who were effectively integrated from there, in spite of MLS refusing to release most players. They will presumably be worked in by the next guy who won't be so stubborn. Casting a wider net.

    This was also multi-game camp that is cause for optimism. That was a 1-off.

    And we have succeeded much more in youth internationals the last couple of years than the several previous ones.

    It's possible Altidore is on the 2022 squad, but he's much more talented and genetically gifted than Beckerman, and maybe just as depth at one of our weaker positions.

    Edit: but seeing what you were responding to I'm not on his side of that argument either. He's trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Jordan Morris and Matt Besler didn't dirty it up. Neither did Villafana either really. But he's prejudging out of age and league bias (don't need to make the same aforementioned mistake Klinsmann did), plus being emotional about the downfall. Maintain who helps you. It's as simple as that. Very few groups are almost all bad or good.

    We're still in the middle of the process of figuring out who that's new we can add to the squad going forward. By the end coalesce the groups. The beauty of this camp was we made plenty of prospects veterans that can help us evaluate other players. We need even less of the more entrenched vets at next camp. So our A squad come meaningful matches should be young lions, but be open to some of the old grizzled lions if they give us the best chance to win the battle.
     
  24. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    What happened in other cycles is pretty much meaningless to me for two reasons:

    1) Desperate times call for desperate measures. Missing the World Cup is a disaster and something we need to be ashamed of. Something like that has to be forgotten and for me the best way to do it is to bring in the new hungry young pups who want to prove themselves and are ready to learn and grow together and be known as the generation that helps bring back the USA to the Cup.

    2 I don't remember too many previous cycles in which the U20s and U17 guys looked this ready to play. I loved last years U20 and U17 teams especially but the U20 from 2015 was not that bad either. Playing them together will be beneficial especially with the CONCACAF Nations League providing more opportunities to play real games in venues they will have to try and get intimidating points in some time eventually.
     
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  25. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    YVAN EHT NIOJ
    Jan 9, 2004
    3 blocks from "SoccerHouse", Chicago
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I mean, the U-20s were fun this time around, but so were the '05 and '07 teams. Plenty of these guys are unfortunately going to have a Sal Zizzo or Danny Szetela level ceiling.
     

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