Usa vs Colombia [R] June 3rd

Discussion in 'Group A - USA, Colombia, Costa Rica, Paraguay' started by sidspaceman, May 31, 2016.

  1. Outburstz

    Outburstz Member

    Jun 22, 2014
    Country:
    United States
    And the USA is off to a great start at this Copa got the rest of the group right where we want them /s
     
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  2. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Country:
    Argentina
    Easier than I thought, actually.
     
  3. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Country:
    Argentina
    Guess you were wrong.
     
  4. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    The argument against the handball is judging natural vs unnatural position. An extended arm isn't necessarily unnatural. For example if you're running and pumping your arms in a regular motion and the ball hits the arm while extended and the player doesn't have time to adjust, that's not handling. What we have here is a player leaping to deflect a cross. Arms extendup while leaping. He exercised due care to keep his ball side arm down, kind of like two players exercising due care to keep their elbows in while going up for a contested header. His goal side arm came up (quite naturally for a leaping athlete) and he turned to protect himself and his arm from the ball. He tried to tuck his hand back into his body to further shield the ball from hitting the hand/arm. He just wasn't quick enough. A red would need to apply that logic in realtime to arrive at no call being made.

    Judged in that light, it would not be handling. The problem is the entire approach to blocking the cross was a bit unconventional (leap+back turn) and it looked awkward. In the run of play, I was 100% sure it was a handball. On replay, it looked much less obvious. Depending upon a refs interpretation/view, I could see it not being called 3 times in 10. I don't think a call either way would have been unjust.
     
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  5. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Ft. Myers
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Country:
    Colombia
    basically, I was spot on.

    I thought the US were very poor though, honestly expected more. Bradley was terrible. We never really left first gear either.
     
  6. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Country:
    Gibraltar
    It was good defensive tactics by Colombia. They kept the lines very compact leaving no space to play on the ground. Usually the way to beat a compact defense is to mix it up and try some diagonal balls over the top to try and get behind the defense with the speed of Zardes and Wood. I know Colombia's defense is very fast, but the US never even challenged them.

    Colombia's defenders were good individually too with a big save from Ospina, a clearance off the line and of course Zapata scores. If their defense stays strong, I can see them being successful in this tournament
     
  7. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Ft. Myers
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Country:
    Colombia
    our defense is so strange sometimes. They seem so fragile in certain games and in different points of the year but in then they have games like this where I even forget that we even had defensive problems to being with. Zapata actually played very well, I was caught off guard by that nice volley of his. Although I am annoyed a bit that Bacca missed that clear one on one. Really should have been 3-0.
     
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  8. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Country:
    Colombia
    Pekerman gets a little revenge for the QF game form the 2006 World Cup
     
  9. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Ft. Myers
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Country:
    Colombia
  10. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
  11. arsenalchum

    arsenalchum New Member

    Jun 4, 2016
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Wow USA looked AWFUL! This group will be a walk in the park for COL
     
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  12. Tejano

    Tejano Member+

    Sep 25, 2012
    Puro ATL
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Lol. Its a handball and should always be called as such, especially in an international tourney. This isn't high school, these are pros that should and do know better. Don't need a dissertation to to justify such an obvious call.
     
  13. Tejano

    Tejano Member+

    Sep 25, 2012
    Puro ATL
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Yeah even though Colombia won, I think they played poorly. I expected more from their attack, maybe they need to get into rhythm.
     
  14. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Country:
    Colombia
  15. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Country:
    United States
    Don't dismiss the Ticos. Ask the Italians what they think of them.
     
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  16. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member

    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Country:
    United States
    So glad you are a world class referee. This was NOT that easy. There are loads of equally valid opinions out there that this was not a PK. But then clearly the only valid opinion is yours.
     
  17. Tejano

    Tejano Member+

    Sep 25, 2012
    Puro ATL
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Calm down bro. You have your opinion and the rest of the world has theirs.
     
  18. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    Go back and read what I said in earlier posts. I would have called it. Even after reviewing in slow mo, I sill would have called it, but it was easier to understand how it might not get called. But I've seen cases where something similar isn't called that was defended by the refs after the match. The LOG aren't always that specific, nor are the infallible to conflicting interpretations. No one can really take issue with the call, no matter the judgment there. I don't see what you're so upset about. The better team won the game.
     
  19. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Ft. Myers
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Country:
    Colombia
    nah we played pretty well. Never even left first gear. We were more focused on being tactically disciplined than just attacking for the sake of it. Everyone played very well.
     
  20. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Ft. Myers
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Country:
    Colombia
    that was 2 years ago...
     
  21. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Country:
    United States
    You were saying?
     
  22. blech

    blech Member+

    Jun 24, 2002
    California
    :)
     
  23. blech

    blech Member+

    Jun 24, 2002
    California
    Exactly.... ;)
     

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