Pre-match: USA vs Bosnia-Herzegovina; January 28th, 2018

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  1. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Maybe you are too young to remember but Jamaica beat us in Gold Cup before last one.

    Not sure where the "trolling" comes from. What's the point I don't get it. If we don't automatically repeat the mantra about how great USA is and how tiny all the minnows are who beat us, it means we are trolling?

    I swear, people are living in a fantasy world here.

    Honestly, I believe Lewis has a better chance of playing in the 'World Cup for Jamaica than for USA. Johansson had a better chance with Iceland.

    Not getting why you are freaking over simple facts.
     
  2. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps there's a bit of a misunderstanding.

    Jamaica's team is somewhat thin. Lewis has a better chance of making their team, because MLS-level is where a lot of Jamaicans play, and many play below that in the domestic league/USL/NASL.

    Jamaica, with the expansion of the World Cup, is more likely to reach the World Cup than they would normally (very little chance, normally) be.

    The US is likely to reach the World Cup. Much more likely than Jamaica. But has a deeper team, and MLS players are sort of frowned upon at the moment. So that might mean that it's harder for Lewis to play in a World Cup with the US because, while it's likely that the US makes it, it's also likely that Lewis wouldn't be on the roster.

    My reading of your posts was that you were suggesting that Jamaica is more likely to qualify for a World Cup than the US. And until reading the bolded, I hadn't read anything to suggest that you and I were talking past each other. Especially since your response was to suggest that the US wasn't very good, not to clarify your opinion.
     
  3. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Costa Rica is "thin". Their striker is Urena who sat on the bench in San Jose.
     
  4. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First 3 names

     
  5. ShaftBrewer

    ShaftBrewer Member+

    Jul 18, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Waiting for who these players are that we will be excited with, now that Gonzalez is gone.
     
  6. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We'll find out in an hour
     
  7. Sebsasour

    Sebsasour Member+

    New Mexico United
    May 26, 2012
    Albuquerque NM
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION (Club; Caps/Goals):
    GOALKEEPERS (4): Alex Bono (Toronto FC/CAN; 0/0), Bill Hamid (Midtjylland/DEN; 4/0), Cody Cropper (New England Revolution; 0/0), Zack Steffen (Columbus Crew SC; 0/0)

    DEFENDERS (9): Danny Acosta (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Justen Glad (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Nick Lima (San Jose Earthquakes; 0/0), Justin Morrow (Toronto FC/CAN; 3/0), Ike Opara (Sporting Kansas City; 0/0), Tim Parker (Vancouver Whitecaps FC/CAN; 0/0), Matt Polster (Chicago Fire; 0/0), Brandon Vincent (Chicago Fire; 1/0), Walker Zimmerman (Los Angeles Football Club; 1/0)

    MIDFIELDERS (11): Tyler Adams (New York Red Bulls; 1/0), Paul Arriola (D.C. United; 15/2), Russell Canouse (D.C. United; 0/0), Marky Delgado (Toronto FC/CAN; 0/0), Marlon Hairston (Colorado Rapids; 0/0), Ian Harkes (D.C. United; 0/0), Brooks Lennon (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Cristian Roldan (Seattle Sounders FC; 1/0), Kelyn Rowe (New England Revolution; 3/1), Wil Trapp (Columbus Crew SC; 2/0), Gyasi Zardes (LA Galaxy; 37/6)

    FORWARDS (6): Juan Agudelo (New England Revolution; 27/3), Dom Dwyer (Orlando City SC; 4/2), Jordan Morris (Seattle Sounders FC; 24/5), Christian Ramirez (Minnesota United FC; 0/0), Rubio Rubin (Unattached; 4/0), CJ Sapong (Philadelphia Union; 3/0)
     
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  8. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't see any glaring omissions except is call in Jesse Gonzalez instead of Cropper. Sad to see Rubin unattached. I do like seeing Delgado and Ramirez.
     
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  9. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Now this is a Camp Cupcake roster.
     
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  10. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Half of the team is uncapped (15). Plus another 11 with less than 5 caps. The only vets are Zardes, Morris, Arreola and Agudelo.
     
  11. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Crap, meh, meh, and crap.
     
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  12. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    what do you guys feel about Durkin vis a vis the above three.

    Pls, no post about "there's plenty of time. Manana."
     
  13. Sudžuka

    Sudžuka Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Extended list for Bosnia, 28 players but should get dropped to 20. Probably only players you might recognize are Medunjanin and Besic

     
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  14. Cynical US fan

    United States
    Mar 30, 2017
    Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm very curious about who will start for the US vs. a mainly domestic B-H squad (does Besic ever play for Everton; how good are the Dinamo Moskva and Zagreb players?).
    If Zardes, Arriola and Agudelo start, it will tell us nothing about the quality of the cupcake team.
     
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  15. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    This will allow more MLS teams to tout the number of their "internationals".
     
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  16. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's one take. The other is it helps players on the bubble get into varying Euro leagues when they get a certain amount of caps. One thing Klinsman was definitely not good at (sort of the opposite of his capping young dual internationals).
     
  17. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jurgen helped Agudelo, Shea and Yedlin get Euro moves while setting Morris up for a Werder contract coming out of college. Played plenty of guys from Zardes to Besler to Zusi enough that caps wouldn't be an issue, it's just that few were interested.

    Anyhow, # of caps is only an issue in England. In other words, the cap issue applies to only 1 of 50 Euro countries and 1 of 28 EU countries. And a cupcake appearance has no bearing on who'll move to Europe and who won't.
     
  18. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    It is also something that Klinsmann's predecessor did quite extensively if I remember correctly. Bradley didn't badmouth MLS the way Klinsmann did but he did everything he could to get players into Europe. He also had a pretty high proportion of European based players.
     
  19. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that had more to do with MLS paying peanuts and the good ones knowing they could get more overseas.
     
  20. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    I believe he also gave caps to assist with work permit issues and encouraged his players to go overseas for quality of play issues. Money, of course, always comes into play.
     
  21. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I agree. The only exception I"d make is Morris so we get some movement up top, plus he needs to get in form early for CCL. Otherwise, I'd really give guys like Ramirez the shot at cf and guys like Roldan and Delgado the start in midfield.

    We saw how limited Adams was against Portugal so I don't see any point in watching that all over again. If he doesn't want to play a wb position he can go home. We don't need him and have plenty of options in cmid/camid. The same goes for Zardes. If he doesn't want to play midfield he can pack his bags and head for Columbus and waste Berhalter's time.
     
  22. Cynical US fan

    United States
    Mar 30, 2017
    Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Having spent six years abroad in medical school, I would say that the added dimension of training and playing abroad, especially in a non-English country, is underestimated. You're lonely and sometimes isolated. I give the present crew: Pulisic, McKennie, Miazga, Parks, Amon and now Sargent a lot of credit. Same goes for previous crews: Bradley, Altidore. Of course natives there speak English, but when they get into long discussions, inevitably they speak their own language.
     
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  23. manq360

    manq360 Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does not appear to be a lot of excitement over the upcoming game. I am anxious to see a lot of the younger players, but a lot of the ones I would like to see are not on roster. I know it is a meaningless game, but I hope we perform well, even with the lack of experienced players.
     
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  24. USAMEX10

    USAMEX10 Member+

    Sep 24, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I always get excited for the January camp for the new players so I for one am looking forward to it. It should be very interesting who impresses.
     
  25. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Having 3 Pulisics, Flores, Wright, McKennie, Taitague, and possibly Gyau in the same greater metro area over the past couple of years helps.
     
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