Post-match: USA v Mexico

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Susaeta, Sep 11, 2018.

  1. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We have piano players?
     
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  2. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    That's another good point: if Brooks get injured, CCV is starting to look like a decent cover for him.

    Imagine how good we'd have looked had they got another red! :D
     
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  3. neems

    neems Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Apr 14, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just do not believe it's Wes though. He hasn't looked immaculate at Schalke, but he needs a defined role. There was zero instruction at CM to start the game.

    Dang I've been away from YA with some personal stuff going on. Thanks letting me know!
     
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  4. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think WT90 has done anything to earn callups against good competition. Tonight, against a very experimental side, he was one of the worst players on the pitch. Moore and Lichaj were also top-3 terrible.
     
  5. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Many of them just went to yell and scream. They don't care to understand roles and tactics. Trapp isn't one of the predesignated call ups that they accept. Therefore, they dislike what he brings without even understanding it. It only reflects poorly on them. They sound like toddlers who don't get their way.

    Trapp is not effective with the type of approach we used in the first half. I think anyone who has watched his game in MLS would be able to realize that. He plays a certain type of role in a certain type of formation. He's a useful player, if you want to play a game with a deep-lying playmaker. He's a big help to our possession game, and building out of the back in that role. If you want to play this pressing approach, you might as well just sit him on the bench.

    Also, the pressing approach was a complete disaster for the whole team. Trapp was not the only player who looked out of sorts. It was all of them, but some of them are immune from criticism. Trapp is one of those who aren't.
     
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  6. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is the truest thing you have ever written. People dismiss how young these guys are, that we are expecting to lean on. Honestly, it probably won't be until 2020 before they have enough chops to go out there and perform at a level that we are good with.
     
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  7. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We showed some feistiness for a change.
     
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  8. ohiorulez

    ohiorulez New Member

    Jan 19, 2015
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the World Cup was today,
    Full 23:

    Steffen
    Miazga Brooks Carter-Vickers
    Yedlin Robinson
    Adams McKennie
    Pulisic
    Weah Altidore

    5-2-1-2

    Bench: Guzan, Hamid, Palmer-Brown, Parker, Lichaj, Moore, Sargent, Green, Acosta, Zardes, Delgado, Lletget
     
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  9. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    All I have heard since we got eliminated was how good our next generation is....

    You would hope they are not all defensive mids.
     
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  10. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    Good stuff. Green changed the game. Much better with only 1 of McK or Adams. I wish that were not the case. Both are promising players. But we need more possession. You forget how smart Ardes is. Weah is smooth but would like to see him up top. Steffen has made me forget goalkeeping worries. The new CBs are a strength.
     
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  11. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To add to this, I will say this was my #1 complaint with Kellyn Acosta, when he was getting all those minutes at dmid. He just got pushed around too much at that position.
     
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  12. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    If we're going with a 3 man central midfield, then it should be

    ------McKennie-------Adams--------
    -----------------Pulisic--------------------
    ----Weah----------------------find an attacker---
    ------------------Jozy---------------------

    If we need a destroyer

    -----------------Acosta-----------------
    -----------Adams-----Pulisic--------
    ------------------see above for 3 man attack

    If it's a 2 person swing mid

    -----------Adams------McKennie--------
    --Pulisic--------------------------------Green---
    ------------------Jozy------Weah---------------
     
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  13. Andreu Josep

    Andreu Josep Member

    May 23, 2016
    Club:
    Hercules Alicante
    #63 Andreu Josep, Sep 11, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2018
    Sorry folks I know many people enjoyed this but I think Miazga acted like a jackass. This is the first time I've seen #18 from Mexico. And, he was the most interesting player on the pitch tonight; leaving behind The USMNT defense 90% of the time he had the ball. Miazga shenanigans are more a sign of a frustrated player embarrassed by the superior level of an 18 year old kid than a display of superiority. Miazga brought his gym membership and height, #18 brought superior skills. Now let's talk about this god awful bring game instead of silly antics...
     
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  14. tippco333

    tippco333 Member

    AC Perugia
    United States
    Jun 12, 2015
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #64 tippco333, Sep 11, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2018
    Trapp isn't international quality.

    Being tidy on the ball only is not something that will be great to a US team. See Gringo Torres. He's fine to have in the pool but he can't be regularly starting for us.
     
  15. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Can that miasma hand be made into a poster! Second only to the Deuce face poster.
     
  16. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Put an attacking modfielder anywhere near them, preferably in front of them and then see how they do.

    In a lot of ways this is a throw back to the beginning of the klinsmann era. Flood the midfield with dmids and b2bmids and no creative mids. Complain about a lack of creativity and attacking intent.
     
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  17. yabo

    yabo Member+

    Jun 1, 2000
    Poolesville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was a diving pussy
     
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  18. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In no way, shape or form is Kellyn Acosta a destroyer.
     
  19. Andreu Josep

    Andreu Josep Member

    May 23, 2016
    Club:
    Hercules Alicante
    Agree...he looked like he wants to be in the team.
     
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  20. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    I mean I realize we don't have Pulisic out there - but there's not a single cenytral attacking midfielfer with a bit of creativity among the 320M+ Americans we could have played there?
     
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  21. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    I thought he's shown a bit better defensively in the past few months. You can play McKennie there as well.
     
  22. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Trapp got better, but don't think he is good enough. Acosta as a wide player is a failed experiment and maybe even Acosta as a regular full team call up IMO.

    I haven't been all that impressed with Adams, but he got a goal and if he gets some playing time at a high level he could still improve.

    Zardes, probably has a place in the team. He is not a footballer by any stretch, but good things happen when he is around the box.

    That Antonee, man what a cross that guy has, if he can learn to play defense he will be hella good.

    Miazga is now LEGEND in my book. Never rated him much, but he has grown leaps and bounds since he left MLS.

    Green, maybe flatters to deceive, but is a better wide player than Acosta or Zardes and maybe even Weah, although Weah probably has more upside. I don't think Weah is much of a defender, and needs to play forward IMO. I have a hard time working Green into my line-up playing central if a healthy Pulisic is available.

    Backline looks solid and CCV should have a role.

    Keeper looked pretty good to me.
     
  23. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Steffen - does he not know that the only way the us was going to score was if mexico was either out of position or defending a setpiece??? his lethargy on distributing the ball was mindboggling. easily fixable, though....i assume.

    Lichaj - I like his attitude but dont think he fits on the left.

    Moore - still green but has potential. i like his attitude and approach to the game but wouldnt include him on an official roster at the moment.

    CCV & Miazga - good defensively. CCV is underrated defensively, imo. MM - dont like the scuffle he caused - was out of line...but it was the catalyst for the win in a weird way - I do like his competitiveness for sure.

    Trapp - putrid first half, decent second. his positioning and movement off the ball were really bad, imo. the whole team struggled with showing for the ball and moving together to create passing outlets for each other, especially in the first half...but i thought trapp was especially bad at this in first half ...way too timid. it was weird how he was closest to the forwards on defense in the 1st but then was so passive when the team had the ball...must have been confused by the coaching instructions. but he did better in the second....i dont think it is a coincidence that the team came to life when an attacker replaced one of the 3 dmids. i also didnt like how he seemed to want to kill off the 1-0 lead and got super passive after the goal while the rest of the team wanted to go for a second, probably from DS.

    Green - he really needs to work on his final ball and not wasting opportunities. i think he has it in him...but at the moment it is a big weakness. if he can improve this he will be back in the big 4 leagues, imo. overall, really like his style of play and approach in this game...just want that final ball to be there and it wasnt. AT ALL.

    Strategy - the commentators touched on it at halftime - showing for the ball was horrible for the team in the first half. too deliberate. team was only moving for the ball after they should have already been there. still need to realize that when you have an athletic team with speed USE IT. they let mexico get back and setup on defense every time....then they often backpassed and killed chances to break - makes no sense. i'm assuming a real coach will fix this. Sarachan's comments about possessing at halftime were way off mark - it is the kind of possession that matters - its not being cleaner on the ball it is moving on and off the ball TOGETHER to create shots/goals/chances/etc.

    said it before, say it again, too many dmids...only need 1 (if that) not 4!!

    McKennie - hasnt looked good last 2 games - i think he and adams and trapp are redundant. he's clearly good enough for this level but the team needs not 3/4 dmids. i think he would look way better if there were less players that overlapped with his skillset on the field with him.

    richie williams - his fingerprints are all over the worst parts of these last few games. i hated how he submarined those youth squads and im seeing a lot of the same BS in this team that he did. how the hell s this dude so high up in USSOCCER????? playing dmids at winger. playing cms at winger. playing 4 dmids at once (hmmm he was dmid too, once? wonder if that is a coincidence??) playing players out of position
     
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  24. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Miazga trolled a little, boo hoo. Mexico lost their heads and in short order got a red card.

    Mission accomplished, I say. All the better, I see Miazga knows some Spanish swear words. Maybe if he points out how tall he is compared to most of that team, their fans will stop screaming "********!" every game.

    Llanez was good, though his best moment was against Trapp, arguably the worst defensive 1 v 1 defender on the roster. And Llanez was looking for calls all night against the bigger, stronger Miazga. The first time, he got a soft foul called (that FK that Mexico sent into row Z), but after that, Miazga handled him well, including the moment that set off the trolling.

    I'm guessing Miazga had had enough and was looking to scrap. Lord knows that snoozefest was made all the livelier for it. Nobody was really hurt, no punching, just some chest beating, nothing wrong here.
     
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  25. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The big winner is whoever captures that Miazga moment in a gif.

    Wonder if Onyewu was watching tonight ;)
     

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