Rumor: USA to possibly wait until Post World Cup to hire the best possible candidate to coach.

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by deuteronomy, Nov 21, 2017.

  1. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    This is probably a good move because a lot of really good coaches will probably get fired for not advancing their team in the World Cup as much as the respective federation wanted.
     
  3. Borrachin

    Borrachin Member+

    Feb 28, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep, it sucks for us fans because we want the ball rolling already, but that is what happens when you suck and are out of a tournament 8 months before it even happens. Hopefully we have a change in president and structure with a Non-Mickey Mouse plan going forward.
     
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  4. Ironbound

    Ironbound Member+

    Jul 1, 2009
    Sounds like the right move not only to ensure access to World Cup coaches, but also because they apparently have no effing clue at the moment what the process will be for hiring someone.
     
  5. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    The fact that Sunil seems incapable of fashioning an agreement with Tab that would have Tab bringing the youth forward in this interim period tells you what you need to know about Sunill. He has reached the end of his effectiveness for US Soccer and deserves nothing more than a gold watch, a handshake and sky box seats for a season at Patriot games in Foxboro.

    Let those running for President tell us what they want to do about the open position. Have our intrepid reporters even bothered pressing Sunil on his official position in the mater?

    This is why nothing goes forward in US Soccer. Everything is on the qt, a slap on the back and a wink. They've been riding the gravy train on the back of the certainty of qualifying. Nobody ever had to take a difficult decision like people do in real life.
     
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  6. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    Good; there is absolutely no reason to hire someone on a permanent basis before August of 2018.
     
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  7. skim172

    skim172 Member+

    Feb 20, 2013
    The right decision in the circumstances - but it's the case of "least bad option". Does this mean our MNT is basically on ice until next fall?
     
  8. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    There is literally nothing of importance that occurs until after the World Cup. National Teams aren't like major-league baseball teams. There's no "rebuilding" phase where you call up a bunch of AA prospects and see how it goes. You're basically talking about a January camp, which any dope can run, and at most 2-4 friendlies. 1 in January, 1 in March and maybe 2 in May for the Depression Send-Off Series.

    The decision to wait until after the World Cup when you can draw on a larger pool of candidates is a completely sensible one and if it were being made by Mr. Hugh Man as opposed to Sunil Gulati my sense is most people would completely agree with the rationale.
     
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  9. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Maybe Tab has no interest in an interim position.
     
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  10. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I'm quite sure you are correct. Additionally, I'm sure nobody has interested him.

    It's not really an interim position if the youth teams, which Tab is handling, is effectively the USMNT. We should really be thinking about an Olympic team at this point. And we should be thinking about getting that team some reps at GC 2019 which is only 1 1/2 yrs after the Jan camp and only 1/2 year from LoN fixtures, as I understand it.

    There's ways of solving this "interim" baloney to everyone's satisfaction. There just isn't any competent leadership at US Soccer.
     
  11. Magic Sponge

    Magic Sponge Member

    May 13, 2000
    Nashville, TN USA
    While I sort of understand this, it seems to me that the pool of potential coaches who may come available post World Cup is comparably small. If a desirable manager is available now, then strike while iron is hot. The WC coaches are not a magic antidote, particularly for a soccer nation with a quirky developmental system like us that takes some getting used to
     
  12. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    IMHO, yes they are until we know actually what WC coaches are available and we won't know that until after the WC.
     
  13. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Club:
    Colón de Santa Fe
    So who are we waiting for exactly? It is not like Deschamps, Sampaoli, or Lowe are going to crash out and pound of the door of USSF in desperation of a coaching job.
    Again, lack of self awareness as a soccer nation has us putting on lipstick and fack-me-pumps and hoping the hot guy gets dumped by the prom queen and remembers our phone number.
    We are not going to bag a 9 or a 10. Hell, we had to pay out the nose for and overrated 8. We need to look for the “marrying” 7 for now and get to the gym for the future 8
     
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  14. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    Yeah, I think it's still probably best to wait until after the WC, but if a really good fit becomes available before then, why not sign him? Presumably, there will be some good coaches who become available after the end of the Euro club season in May too. By waiting until after the WC, we're risking those guys getting taken by others clubs, and we'd have to compete with other national teams looking for new coaches after the WC as well.
     
  15. eric_appleby

    eric_appleby Member+

    Jun 11, 1999
    Down East
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have no problem with this. It gives us time to first get rid of Gulati. And there is absolutely no rush. We can't blow the next coaching hire on a re-tread like Allardyce, O'Neill, Bilic.
     
  16. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    David sarachan is OK for caretaker role. Go for the German head coach.
     
  17. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    The Sporks won't be happy when they have to replace Vermes mid-season.
     
  18. joe cleats

    joe cleats Member

    Jun 17, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Theoretically, there should be a coaching "rotation" after the World Cup that extends beyond just the 32 teams in the show. It may not be us waiting but any available coach waiting for any openings that happen after the World Cup. Aside from MLS coaches, US Soccer may have found that there aren't any coaches who are willing to commit to something right now. I'd imagine any good coach that has a contract expiring next summer or is already out of employment is going to want to wait to see what they can get next summer.
     
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  19. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lol to both points... no he's isn't ok as anything. And Joachim Löw isn't leaving the German national team to coach us... he's also tipped to replace zidane at Real.
     
  20. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    We got a full term of a foreign manager in Klinsi. We got less than a year of a domestic manager in Arena.

    I believe a domestic manager this time around will insist on getting the modus vivendi with MLS on the table before signing on the dotted line. A foreign manager likely doesn't care. Klinsmann just called in the foreign based players saying they were better and cherry picked players in MLS.

    The new problem arising around the issue of a foreign manager is that we will not be playing friendlies in Europe anymore. The number of fixtures away in concacaf countries will increase with LoN and we know Euro clubs don't like that. The Euro players don't like it either.

    I would hire Tab Ramos for the job through 2019 and tell him we will renew Jan 1 2020 if he has qualified for Olympics which we will know by autumn 2019. We will also know results of Copa and GC by then.

    Also we will know results of first two games of semi final round of WC quali's for 2022 by end of 2019, if they maintain current cycle's scheduling.
     
  21. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I don't know where you got your info from but one of the main reasons UEFA LoN is being established is because the clubs associated with UEFA were all for it because that would mean less inconsistent friendlies not aligned with FIFA dates because both their "own" players would only be released on FIFA dates for their confederation's LoN matches and at the same time, their "foreign" players (aka players from CONCACAF and Conmebol, etc.) would be released (on FIFA dates) for their respective LoN matches... that way, players in their UEFA's leagues woukd only be released less often (during FIFA dates) than before. This is one of the main reasons they created this LoN and, while working with FIFA (not under them mind you but with them), are "introducing/proposing" it to the rest of the federations. The other main reason is here. Again, your info may be right but as far as I know, the clubs are endorsing it 100% because for them it's less release time for their "assets".
     
  22. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many friendlies do we schedule that are not during FIFA international breaks? Other than Camp Cupcake that only used offseason MLS players anyway.
     
  23. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    The problem is distance travelled, not the very rare non-FIFA date friendlies. They're ok with the European players taking part in the UEFA LON. Let's see how many players just happen to be "injured" before the LONs in other continents.
     
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  24. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Club:
    Colón de Santa Fe
    So this might be more of a world soccer summer break timing issue? That sounds reasonable.
     
  25. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    All LoNs will happen on the same dates so yes, it WILL be very interesting to see how many Europeans are released on the same date when non-Europeans just happen to be injured.
     

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