USA needs a NEW division 2 pro-soccer league

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by Paulo_PT, Sep 27, 2017.

  1. Paulo_PT

    Paulo_PT Member

    SL Benfica
    Portugal
    Sep 17, 2017
    I think MLS, USL and USSF should work together to create a new division 2 league in United States.

    NASL is dead, if not should be killed, but USL shouldn't stay with Division 2 status.

    This NEW LEAGUE should be made of teams from every medium/large metro area, including all candidates to MLS.

    USL should be made of teams affilliated to D1 and D2 teams.

    USL could have two levels. Yes USL could have 2 levels, but at 3rd and 4th level. Always made with affiliated teams from D1 and D2 clubs.

    In this 2 levels (D3 and D4) pro/relegation could exist.

    Only clubs from D1 and D2 will participate on US Open Cup.

    Each D1 and D2 could have more than 1 affilliated club (Clubs close to home. In general in the urban/metro areas, or at least from the same state).

    DIVISION 2 - NEW LEAGUE: Some 32 strong locations:
    - Las Vegas
    - San Diego
    - Phoenix
    - San Francisco
    - Sacramento
    - Orange County
    - Inland Empire
    - San Antonio
    - Austin
    - Fort Worth
    - Oklahoma
    - New Orleans
    - Memphis
    - Nashville
    - Tampa Bay
    - Fort Lauderdale
    - Jacksonville
    - Charlotte
    - Raleigh
    - St. Louis
    - Milwaukee
    - Detroit
    - Indianapolis
    - Louisville
    - Cincinnati
    - Cleveland
    - Pittsburgh
    - Virginia Beach
    - Baltimore
    - New York
    - Hartford
    - Providence
     
  2. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A new soccer league? What a good idea!
     
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  3. Paulo_PT

    Paulo_PT Member

    SL Benfica
    Portugal
    Sep 17, 2017
    Yes a new league with MLS, USL and US Soccer involved.

    USL should keep developing D3 and D4 leagues.

    D3 and D4 clubs will work with D2 and D1 clubs, starting with the affiliation with this clubs.

    No B teams, like Portland Timbers II and NY Red Bulls II. Because this clubs don't generate gate interest.

    Also becausei think each D1 and D2 clubs should have more than 1 "B team". A clusters of teams working with them in the Metro área.

    This will contribute for soccer and major team popularity in that área.


    For example, Seattle Sounders could have affilliate pro-clubs in Tacoma, Everett, Kent and Spokane at least, playing in USL D3 or D4.

    More player development for D1 and D2 clubs.
     
  4. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    What's wrong with the current D2 leagues?
     
  5. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who's going to finance this?
     
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  6. Paulo_PT

    Paulo_PT Member

    SL Benfica
    Portugal
    Sep 17, 2017
    Like other leagues, teams playing in this league.

    Many clubs will come from USL, others from NASL, others Candidates Cities to MLS, and others will join over the years.

    This league could start in 2018 with 20 clubs.
    To compete in this D2 this clubs must end MLS affiliation, Only D3 and D4 could have affiliation with clubs in upper divisions:

    Moving from USL without affilliation:
    - FC Cincinnati
    - Louisville City FC
    - Sacramento Republic FC
    - Saint Louis FC
    - Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Moving from USL with affilliation
    - Charlotte Independence
    - Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    - OKC City Energy
    - San Antonio FC
    - Orange County SC
    - Las Vegas Lights FC
    - Nashville SC
    Moving from NASL
    - Indy Eleven
    - Jacksonville Armada FC
    - New York Cosmos
    - Miami FC
    - North Carolina FC
    - San Francisco Deltas
    - San Diego
    - California United FC

    Others clubs could join from major cities/urban areas.
     
  7. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Other clubs could join" -- who, exactly? Lower league soccer isn't exactly big business here.

    Also, good luck getting the Cosmos and Miami FC to work with anyone else.
     
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  8. Paulo_PT

    Paulo_PT Member

    SL Benfica
    Portugal
    Sep 17, 2017
    Detroit, Cleveland, Memphis, Milwaukee, a 2nd Chicago team, etc.
     
  9. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And who exactly is going to start these clubs? Adding clubs just because it would be nice to have one in a city, without having the capital to run those clubs, is exactly the mistake the old NASL made.
     
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  10. Paulo_PT

    Paulo_PT Member

    SL Benfica
    Portugal
    Sep 17, 2017
    I give you almost 20 clubs to start this D2 League and locations to future clubs, future...
     
  11. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is a new one needed?

    USL is doing JUST FINE as the D2 league, and it's growing.

    So ....

    ....

    why?
     
  12. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you saying you are personally prepared to finance those clubs?
     
  13. Paulo_PT

    Paulo_PT Member

    SL Benfica
    Portugal
    Sep 17, 2017
    Are you saying no investor will show up in the future to start a club in those cities? :eek:
    Have a bit of faith...
     
  14. When Saturday Comes

    Apr 9, 2012
    Calgary
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I think he's saying the owners of the 20 clubs you want to move from USL and NASL to this new league won't move so you'll need new owners.

    I'm saying new investors, when given a choice between USL and another new D2, will choose USL. So getting 20 clubs to a new D2 will take until 2028 - best case scenario. By then USL will have 60 clubs in D2/D3
     
  15. Paulo_PT

    Paulo_PT Member

    SL Benfica
    Portugal
    Sep 17, 2017
    That's why this new D2 needs to be a arrangement between USL, MLS and US Soccer.

    A New Division 2, giving USL the right to run the 3rd and 4th division.
    - 2nd division independent clubs
    - 3rd and 4th division affilliated to MLS and 2nd division clubs.

    No "b teams" like New York Red Bulls II and stuff, only affilliation.

    Affilliation is a better deal to USL.

    3rd division main affilliated team to each 1st and 2nd division.
    4th division between 2 and 8 secondary affilliated teams.


    D1: MLS - 32 clubs
    D2: New League - 32 Clubs
    D3: 64 Clubs (32 D1 affiliated clubs+32 D2 affilliated Clubs, 4 Conferences, 16 clubs each)
    D4: 256 clubs (4 Conferences, 4 Divisions, with 16 clubs each)

    US Open Cup: 64 clubs (D1+D2 clubs).
     
  16. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you go 100 years forward I don't think there will be 32 + 32 + 64 + 256 = 384 professional clubs.
     
  17. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the record, I also don't think the US will ever have a professional D4. Once you get down to that level, you're necessarily playing in regional leagues, and probably not getting enough revenue to be more than semi-pro. And at that point, since the NCAA isn't going away, it makes more financial and competitive sense to be entirely amateur and rely on NCAA players getting extra offseason minutes (some of whom are on their way to the pros and better than any semipros you can get) than to pay players.
     
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  18. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they institute pro/rel, there will be 3,840 professional clubs. Believe me. It will be huge and beautiful, with investment like you have never seen before.
     
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  19. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    State leagues at the lower levels would be cool.
     
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  20. Paulo_PT

    Paulo_PT Member

    SL Benfica
    Portugal
    Sep 17, 2017
    I think this is the cleaver move.

    Soccer needs to be closer to the fan base, if you want to turn soccer something more in north america.

    Each MLS team should have a network of clubs from top to bottom supporting them.

    D1 - Colorado Rapids ("A Team")
    D2 - Colorado Springs ("B Team")
    D3 - Aurora ("C Team")
    D4- Front Range Soccer League ("D Teams")

    Front Range Urban Corridor Soccer League
    12 Semi-professional clubs.
    U-23 League
    32 competitive weeks per season
    "D Teams"
    14 Potential Locations: Pueblo, Castle Rock, Centennial, Lakewood, Arvada, Westminster, Thornton, Boulder, Longmont, Fort Collins, Loveland, Greeley, Broomfield, Cheyenne.
     
  21. 4four4

    4four4 Member+

    Nov 13, 2013
    Land of 10,000 Lakes
    So you are saying MLS should go the way of MLB?
     
  22. Paulo_PT

    Paulo_PT Member

    SL Benfica
    Portugal
    Sep 17, 2017
    #22 Paulo_PT, Oct 23, 2017
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2017
    Not quiet MLB.

    In Europe big clubs have the main team, the B team and even a C Team.

    Also they have affilliated clubs across the country and some times in other countries.

    I purprose something like this.

    But all clubs/teams will be located in proximity to the main team.

    D2 could have independent clubs, not affilliated with MLS clubs, having also a D3 team, and D4 teams.
    This D2 independent clubs will participate in US Open Cup. Only clubs from MLS and D2 (not affilliated with MLS clubs) could participate in US Open Cup.

    Sometimes D4 teams from different professional clubs could compete in the same Regional League, D4 League. Because not all professional clubs will have 12-14-16 D4 teams, sometimes they, especially D2 independent clubs, could have only 4, 6 or 8 D4 teams.
     
  23. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Got any scarf designs? I can't take you seriously unless you have scarf designs and you figure out how many times each team would play each other team.
     

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