US v Mexico Rivalry from MLS 2013/14 CCL Quarterfinal Thread

Discussion in 'Gold Cup' started by tab5g, Feb 6, 2014.

  1. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    What were your thoughts on the USMNT ever overtaking El Tri, before that happened?
     
  2. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    The overtaking was temporary, Mexico ended up taking back the top spot again eventually.
     
  3. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
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    You're comparing a countries top 15-20 players at any given time to leagues of 100s of players.

    That's an apples to oranges comparison.

    The only reason that Brazil doesn't win every World Cup is that teams are limited to 23 players. If teams dressed 23 players, and were forced to dress a completely different 23 for every game, Brazil would sweep to the championship.

    Comparing the progress of national teams to the progress of leagues is just as nonsensical.
     
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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

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  5. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    #5 tab5g, Feb 6, 2014
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    It is still fruit. Or soccer.

    It is not as nonsensical as saying something will never happen.

    Nor as strange as moving the goalposts to claim that what was really meant was that some flipped result/reality is only temporary.
     
  6. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    Yeah, both teams qualified, the top spot hasn't been taken. Like in 2010, the rapids had a low seed from their qualifying stage, but that didn't mean they were worse than the top seed. They proved otherwise in the playoffs.
     
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  7. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    The point was that I am sure (some) El Tri fans believed or "knew" that the USMNT would always play second fiddle. Until the last decade and a half or so happened.

    When someone, in response to the idea or suggestion of MLS (eventually) overtaking Liga MX, says...
    ...I just think that is nonsense, as things always change.
     
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  8. ji_shuheng

    ji_shuheng Member+

    Mar 26, 2003
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    you're welcome, by the way.
     
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  9. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    为什么?
     
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  10. ji_shuheng

    ji_shuheng Member+

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    巴拿马比赛的结果。你住在一个桐?
     
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  11. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    中国巴拿马打?

    美国取4分来自墨西哥,所以没有什么感谢。
     
  12. ji_shuheng

    ji_shuheng Member+

    Mar 26, 2003
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    Sporting Kansas City
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    yet mexico has reclaimed concacaf dominance. nice.
     
  13. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    In 2011 by winning the main Gold Cup. The throne can be taken away from them this summer at the WC.
     
  14. Werdman89

    Werdman89 Member+

    May 27, 2008
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    This can't actually be your argument
     
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  15. ji_shuheng

    ji_shuheng Member+

    Mar 26, 2003
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    ahahahahahahaha
     
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  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
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    United States
    Main Gold Cup?
     
  17. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Like the US taking the whole southwest from Mexico.

    Nonsensical .... Then it happened.
     
  18. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    It's the confederation championship that gives a Conf Cup ticket. It defines the top dog until the WC.

    The one that gives the Conf Cup ticket, as opposed to the one that didn't.

    Considering Mexican culture still thrives in that area, and is only increasing... not much was taken at all.

    A prediction isn't nonsensical until it is wrong, so tab5g was off-base there.
     
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
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    United States
    Your data is, not surprisingly, out of date.

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/artic...ners-will-play-one-match-2017-confederations-

    Both Gold Cup champions (assuming they aren't the same team) in each 4 year cycle will playoff for the Confederations Cup ticket.

    So I ask again, Main Gold Cup? Because it looks like Mexico missed a chance for automatic qualification to the playoff in 2013, so now the pressure is on them in the 2015 edition while for the U.S. they can qualify for the Confederation Cup directly and bypass the playoff with a win.
     
  20. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    LOL...yeah, you keep telling yourself that. I guess history is something you only look at with an incredibly skewed viewpoint. No...that didn't matter much in the history of the two countries and their evolution. LOL. Classic and pathetic even beyond trolling. Mentally you are clearly very weak and feel inferior if that's your response.

    Yup....California looks like Mexico more than any other state. Incredibly corrupt, inept, criminal, debt ridden, and a huge drag on the whole USA at this point. It's a FN mess. It does look like Mexico.:( Got me....I just got real sad thinking about the embarrassing state of California. You win.
     
  21. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    I know of the new rule. But the 2013 GC doesn't trump the 2011 edition, because the 2013 GC only earns half a spot.
    ^^^Is a post like this allowed in N&A? I'll respond to this in another subforum, but I'm pretty sure this discussion you're starting here is strictly off-limits in N&A. And you just revealed a lot about yourself by bringing up something that has nothing to do with football. Huge chip on your shoulder.
     
  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    lolololol, you keep telling yourself that. Combined with the WC qualification results anyone who suggests that Mexico is better than the U.S. right now is a homer who's lying to himself to avoid facing the truth of the situation. Somehow the results of two tournaments last year are worth less than 1 tournament 3 years ago? Laughable.
     
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  23. It's called FOOTBALL

    It's called FOOTBALL BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 4, 2009
    Those 2 tournaments didn't eliminate Mexico from the overall goal of each. Mexico is still alive for the next Confederations Cup, and the upcoming World Cup. It is inconclusive that they are no longer the best. If another C'Caf team does better at the World Cup, then it will be official.

    It's like if SKC this year bombs in the USOC, then barely qualifies for the playoffs. They can still have the last laugh if they win the league title, and say that they are still the best, regardless of the road in between.
     
  24. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    Uruguay is the best team in South America, I mean they are the defending Copa America Champions and finished higher than all other S.A. teams in South Africa.

    So what if they finish 5th every single WC qualification.


    :p
     
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  25. Werdman89

    Werdman89 Member+

    May 27, 2008
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    It's almost like you're trying to make an illogical argument.
     
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