US-Mexico, the coaching and tactics

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by superdave, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. bob347

    bob347 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Oct 15, 2017
    Probably true, but that wasn't the question I was answering...
     
  2. SamsArmySam

    SamsArmySam Member+

    Apr 13, 2001
    Minneapolis, MN
    Yes, people are very certain about how things will go when we have MB at the 6. We've seen it enough to be very certain.

    And people who watched RB Leipzig this year are also very certain about how things will go if we put Adams at the 6. Starter. In his first not-even-full season. At #3 in the table RB Leipzig. At the 6. Yeah, we're certain how things will go.

    The fact that Cannon showed well at RB may be the silver lining here if it allows 3G to see that he is better off with Adams at the 6. Where he can help us the most.

    Thoughts and prayers.
     
  3. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Gee, so condescending. I bet you're smart.

    We don't know how the total team would perform with Adams at the CB/RM. Lots of mocking, yes, but we haven't seen. What are you so afraid of to try it?

    We just watched the team get overrun in the midfield, and this idea creates an overload in the midfield. Why not try it? What's the issue? Certainly someone who regularly plays the 6 would find it easy to shift back if it didn't work?

    Are our September friendlies so vital we cannot experiment just a tiny bit?

    Also, Adams has played nearly every game with a partner back there, not as a solo 6. So while I'm pretty sure he can do the job and very sure he can do it better than Bradley, we actually haven't seen Adams much out of the Red Bulls' system at all.

    Very few decisions are final.
     
  4. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sargent has more upside and future than Zardes.
    Morales v. Bradley... meh
    Those two guys would not have gotten us that Gold Cup.
     
  5. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    I don't think many care so much about the idea. People are concerned that we're moving our best player out of his best position to accommodate Bradley.

    Out of the starting 11 for the GC final, who was worse? I think a decent argument could be made Bradley was the worst player on the field. You could say Morris I guess? He started, right? Maybe Ream? Bradley was certainly one of the worst 3.

    So, we're talking about trying our best player out of position to accommodate a player in the bottom 2-3 of the starting 11, and a player who likely shouldn't be there at all. This doesn't even mention Trapp, who was the heir apparent to Bradley for 18 months before his 2 friendly performances somehow dropped him behind MB.
     
  6. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    If understand correctly,

    1. every club team that you've seen do it has the ability to acquire some of the best talent in the world (I'd note that I don't recall BVB using an underlapping FB but I could be wrong). Perhaps others could identify teams more similar to the USMNT who have used this tactic. If not, perhaps it requires a unique set of circumstances that Barca, Chelsea (who will almost certainly abandon the concept) and Bayern have and the USMNT does not?

    and

    2. you don't know of any other national teams that have tried it but you're good with new coach Berhalter being the trailblazer. I think it's somewhere between naive and arrogant to think that a new USMNT coach is going to be able to do something at the national team level that every other coach has dis-regarded.

    Perhaps others could identify teams more similar to the USMNT who have used this tactic.
     
  7. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    How does Bradley and McKennie partnership look to you?

    You can see how getting two players who potentially have a better playing fit would make our team better? Really?
     
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  8. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It looked just fine in most of the games. Granted, some of those games were vs. garbage teams, but both Bradley and McKennie had good games in this tournament. They both had their worst game vs. Mexico.
    I don't follow the 2nd part of your post.
     
  9. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    The pairing of Bradley and McKennie is a bad pairing as it doesn’t build around Weston’s strengths and offset his weaknesses. It’s built around Bradley.

    If one assumes that it would be better to build around Weston, a partnership with Morales would be significantly better as both are B1 level box-to-box midfielders with good coverage and ball winning abilities.
     
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  10. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
     
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  11. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    excellent compilation ... notice for those 15 clips how compressed in time and space and with #'s the Tri Colores midfield cranks up the pressure against the US ...

    for those that have watched Dortmund - Mexico simply applied intense gegen pressen against the US ... it is not rocket science ...
     
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