US-Mexico, the coaching and tactics

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by superdave, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    The fact that we're reduced to this conversation, when Tyler Adams is probably already one of our 5-10 defensive/central midfielders ever, with the ability to surpass some of Jones, Reyna, Bradley, Mastroeni, Cameron, Harkes, etc. relatively soon at the club level, only emphasizes how irritating the old Bradly/Trapp over Morales/Williams debate is. Tyler Adams is sitting right there, currently better than all of them, and probably approximately as good as peak Bradley.
     
  2. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member

    Aug 1, 2014
    #6
     
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  3. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    You notice that nobody answers any questions? "Do you think MB can earn minutes on a BL team?"

    "wellllll, Bundesliga isn't an english word, and he has so much value for his community service off the field, but Germans don't do as much of that as Toronto and MLS does, and tactics change, and Klinsy used him as starter in 2011, so all in all, i just think that's a dumb question."

    More excuses than I had in 8th grade when my teacher asked where my homework was.
     
  4. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member

    Aug 1, 2014
    But this is all about Egg, and his inability to evaluate talent.
     
  5. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Yes, Adams should be our starting 6. Nobody arguing Morales being better than Bradley would disagree.

    The other side? Well here you go..."Egg has a system, and whatever you think about it, he's the coach, he's smarter, and he's using Adams as an RB. Adams is also injured, so no use in wasting our time talking about him. Adams might be a good player to pair with McKennie just ahead of Bradley".

    Again, these are all rationales I've read over the last few weeks...
     
  6. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    and devastating for the media to ignore as well.
     
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  7. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the dog ate it?

    could not resist ....
     
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  8. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member

    Aug 1, 2014
    Yep. Bradley at 35 cannot be a starter at Qatar 2022 (assuming U.S. qualification). Morales, at 32, could easily be on that roster. So, Morales should be a solid backup to Adams/McKennie for now, and a guy who might help avoid the typical Central American road game meltdowns in WCQ. Morales has got to be called up in September.
     
  9. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member

    Aug 1, 2014
    Egg was going to play Adams at RB to keep Bradley on the field. And he had Trapp in the 23, while leaving Morales out of the 40. That roster mismanagement of talent right there probably cost the USMNT the Gold Cup. But as you know, there was a lot more.
     
  10. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Very likely, however since it didn't happen it's not worth debating.

    I'd argue that the dearth of attacking talent outside of Pulisic and Altidore on our 23 had a worse effect than the Trapp over Morales decision. He chose Mihailovic over Sargent; that's the REAL crime if you ask me.
     
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  11. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    It’s the same bias though showing through in both cases.
     
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  12. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member

    Aug 1, 2014
    Just another of many. Imagine what somebody like Roberto Martinez could do with the USMNT player pool. Obviously it wouldn't be like Belgium, but it would easily beat Mexico's B team. Other than nepotism and/or extreme cheapness, I do not understand the Egg hire.
     
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  13. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 6, 2006
    I'd love him to be called in for september...so many more entertaining random saviors to rant about.
     
  14. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Hey, @dark knight told us not to split heirs!

    ;)
     
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  15. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're kidding, right?
    Right?
    If Altidore and pulisic convert their early chances we might have won.
     
  16. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    The Bradley / McKennie partnership doesn’t work. Full stop.

    A McKennie / Morales partnership is likely to be far better on both sides of the ball.

    It’s not because Morales is Kanye (strawman!) but because Morales is better than Bradley and more importantly is a better fit with McKennie.
     
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  17. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Or, you know, Adams as an inverted RB could have worked. It's worked for other teams.

    Or, perhaps it didn't work, and Berhalter adjusted. That's also possible.

    We've played the inverted FB roll only 3-4 times period, and Adams has only played 90 minutes for Berhalter.

    People are very certain about how things would or will go.
     
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  19. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Negrep
     
  20. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Which teams play an inverted fullback? Off the top of my head, I can only think of Pep’s team.

    More specifically, what national teams use it?
     
  21. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I don't follow enough national teams to know.

    But it's not incredibly hard to learn or to do. It just takes a really talented player there.

    It's a creative way to overload the midfield. It's not rocket science. It has its strengths and weaknesses. But if it created a situation where I could get CP, Paxton, McKennie and Adams all in the midfield, I think it's worth trying.
     
  22. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Which club teams other than Pep’s play that way?

    In particular, given that the bulk of our pool ranges from low major league to upper minor league, what teams in the mid/low level major leagues or high-level minor leagues use an inverted fullback? Thank you.

    What if there aren’t any comparable national teams that do that? Does that change your opinion or is it good for us to be a trail-blazer? What if any national teams that do use have elite talent like Pep does?
     
  23. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I don't mind us trying things that are new to national teams. But I'm also not a walking survey of national teams -- or for that matter, a survey of lower level club teams.

    I've seen Barca do it, Chelsea do it and Bayern do it, even post Pep. Dortmund would do it at times with Guerrero. I don't know of too many teams that do it religiously, but a) I don't want a lot of teams regularly, and b) it's pretty clear Berhalter is hardly married to it.

    I don't think we'd see it against better competition without Tyler. And he's not mid/low level major leagues.

    I will go back to this: why are you so scared to try it? Before the Gold Cup, no one seemed to care about Gold Cup results. It was all about the World Cup. During the Gold Cup, no one cared when we won. We lose a close game to Mexico and suddenly anything is a disaster.

    If McKennie were the 6, Paxton the 8 (or whomever you like) and Adams the RB/CM, are you opposed to just seeing how it works?
     
  24. napper

    napper Member+

    Jan 14, 2014
    Fullerton
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. bob347

    bob347 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Oct 15, 2017
    Which amazes me that we're still pretty much doing this. Instead of finding a partner to compliment Bradley why are we not finding a player in Bradley's position who can compliment the rest of the midfield? Bradley used to be a pretty good player but I've never thought he was good enough to build the whole midfield around. He's definitely not good enough to do that anymore.
     

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