Uruguay-Pre-match

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  1. kba4life1

    kba4life1 Member+

    Jul 14, 2010
    Irvine, CA
    Uruguay beat Costa Rica in San Jose 2-1 today. No Suarez or Cavani, but other stars like Betancur and Torreira started.

    With their long travel to St Louis, I’m hoping most of their top Euro players will head back to their clubs to minimize our chances of getting waxed again.
     
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  2. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Memphis, Tn
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    steffen, johnson, mckennie, pulisic, morales and brooks are returning to their clubs, so the roster stands at 20. no futher callups announced (michael bradleys waiting by the phone for sure).

    GOALKEEPERS:
    Jesse Gonzalez
    Brad Guzan

    DEFENDERS:
    Reggie Cannon
    Sergiño Dest
    Nick Lima
    Aaron Long
    Daniel Lovitz
    Tim Ream
    Miles Robinson
    Walker Zimmerman

    MIDFIELDERS:
    Sebastian Lletget
    Paxton Pomykal
    Cristian Roldan
    Wil Trapp
    Jackson Yueill

    FORWARDS:
    Corey Baird
    Tyler Boyd
    Jordan Morris
    Josh Sargent
    Gyasi Zardes

    i expect something close to

    _________guzan
    ___zimmerman___long___ream
    lima
    _________trapp
    ____roldan___lletget
    morris_______________baird
    _________zardes

    i know, i know- you say its sargents hometown, i say if the criteria of being the best option doesnt apply to zardes why would that?

    zimmerman over robinson specifically because it makes no sense. gotta shore up the defense, and for berhalter that means lima and ream. i think we see one of lletget or pomykal but definitely not both- that sort of ball movement in the middle would be unacceptable.

    one other thought, leaving out the complete lack of faith in our manager, is a 5-3-2 (or 2-3) would make some sense. not good sense, but, you know? weve flirted with a 3/5 backline before, and otherwise you wonder why the hell we are carrying as many fbs as central mids or forwards (including wings).
     
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  3. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lletget was promising last night so he won’t start.
     
  4. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I suspect GGG will start Trapp in all three central midfield positions- 6, 8 and 10.
     
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  5. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who cares? This program is doomed. Totally ********ed.
     
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  6. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Is Mckennie leaving? He was included in the initial report. If so, good for him. He doesnt deserve to be stuck with the rest of this roster.
     
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  7. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Memphis, Tn
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    he is. initially the list was 5, and im not sure if he or pulisic was added but thats the latest ive seen.

    @Eleven Bravo i agree, and further i think hes always been very good with the nats. injuries havent been good to him.

    i considered yueill due to that being the least interesting team possible for me (hence likely for gregg), but he seems to be bradleys backups backup...but its also possible i think that because in his two appearances ive never noticed him do anything. not a single thing.
     
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  8. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Put in all the kids and give them a go. Gotta start Pomykal, Gonzalez, Sargent, Dest, and Robinson.
     
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  9. Lance90

    Lance90 Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Let’s talk about this. Why is Yueill not interesting? Zardes and Will Crapp are not even the best players on one of the worst teams in MLS ... and they’re regulars? Yueill is having a breakout season with a vastly improved and likely playoff team. Pomykal is having a breakout season in Dallas and was the best player at the U20s.

    So in the no passing, no creativity Morales/Trapp/McKennie midfield, who was the #6, the #8, and the #10 (or the 2 #10s?). Since no one knows what the heck GB is doing, including GB, at this point I wouldn’t mind seeing any combination they leaves out Crapp.
     
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  10. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    I pity the poor people who have bought tickets for this (unless their Uruguayan - the foreign fanbase is always a good revenue source for SUM/FED). I bet even Sargeant's family are trying offload theirs!
     
  11. Mantis Toboggan M.D.

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jul 8, 2017
    Gonzalez
    Cannon Robinson Ream Dest
    McKennie Roldan
    Pomykal
    Boyd Sargent Morris


    I ain't watching it, though
     
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  12. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Memphis, Tn
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    gladly.

    first lets clear something up- zardes and trapp? not my idea. add bradley.

    but lets focus on yueill. im not crazy familiar with him (and just a note but "likely playoff team" is a ridiculously unimpressive argument for anyone). im in memphis so youve gotta really want it to see a lot of san jose so again- i absolutely admit to not having a deep knowledge, or strong opinion on him one way or the other.

    in his two very brief cameos he has literally done nothing. thats not criticsm, thats lack of "hmmm, id like to see more of that guy".

    i am much more familiar with pomykal (primarily via youth intl teams, but dallas is also good for watching/checking in on like 9 prospects at a time) and am actively annoyed he hasnt gotten a look.

    all that said heres my reasoning: bradley/trapp are going to be in that spot. i hate that as much as anyone but its an absolute fact- so we only have 2 cm positions.

    i can only assume tyler adams is a rb because thats what berhalter has said, repeatedly, is his plan.

    so ill lay it out like this- we have bradley/trapp, a "10" cm and an "8" cm spot. if pulisic is played central hes a lock and mckennie is a lock. pulisic is a wing for me, though, and moved there last night so ill leave him out for now.

    at that "10" spot (since we dont have a 10) id go lletget/pomykal/holmes in that order. i just see that as a spot weve got to at least have guys who can turn and at least entertain the thought of getting the ball to attackers. do you think yueill can play that role? from the little ive seen i really dont, but even in the name of turning over every stone hes behind the 3 ive listed.

    at the 8 mckennie starts, and roldan/morales are depth. i also think ideally this is where pomykal fits, but theres very little ideal here. this is where id imagine yueill fits- and it really is as simple as how far down a depth chart do i really have to go?

    thats all i mean when i say im not interested- hes 4th choice at either open cm spot in terms of who i would play, at best.

    theres only so many minutes to go around, even less when youre wasting one spot and giving mckennie all the minutes he can handle (which i do think is what we should be doing).

    as for this match though we will almost certainly see all 5 get minutes. i think in this rare case we can give our "depth" a look i want very much to see pomykal, and imagine he and lletget will split the time at the "10". at the 8 id rather see how morales does there. his passing is pretty bad for me, so i think getting closer to a decision between him and roldan is more important than a first (real) look at yueill.

    best case trapp picks up a knock 4 minutes in and we get a decent look at all 4 of the others.
     
  13. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not bad but unlike others I am watching it. And I'll watch all their games until the day I die. Doesn't mean I like where they are or where they are headed. I don't. But they ARE still my national team.
     
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  14. Cynical US fan

    Iceland
    Mar 30, 2017
    Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    McKennie's gone, dude.

    Poor Dest: if he performs badly, as will the rest of them, he stands no chance of making the Dutch NT. I expect Ream at LB.
    This will impact poorly on Sargent as well since he's gotten little playing time with Bremen (I expect Berhalter to start Zardes).
    McKennie seems to have cemented himself in the Schalke lineup though.
    Even if we were playing a weaker team than Uruguay, Pomykal shouldn't be starting at the 10.
    Berhalter won't start Roldan. Expect Trapp.

    I haven't watched a single match, just highlights, since Berhalter was named.
    I won't watch until he's gone.
     
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  15. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I watch Yueill all the time. He's got nice vision and he works hard. Could he be better than Trapp? If that's the standard, sure, I guess. He's only 22.

    But his athleticism and size hold him back, and his skills aren't so great to make up for it.

    So yeah, at an international level, he's uninteresting.
     
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  16. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And if doing so brings that Death Day nearer to thee?
     
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  17. Mantis Toboggan M.D.

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jul 8, 2017
    They are and I'll watch the competitive games even if doing so makes me want to throw my TV out the window, but with the current state of affairs it's not worth skipping BJJ class on Tuesday night for a friendly (might catch the second half if Pomykal is playing)
     
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  18. Mantis Toboggan M.D.

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jul 8, 2017
    He wasn't on the list I saw of guys who were leaving after Mexico. If he's gone, replace him with Yueill at the 6 and slide Roldan to the 8 I guess.
     
  19. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    On My Squatty Potty
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I might watch.

    Or perhaps I’ll wait until it’s dark and attempt to cut my lawn with a pair of scissors, which may just be a better use of my time.
     
  20. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I never had Lletget in my rosters and he always delivers a positive performance for the USMNT. I got shy after his injury and he always underwhelms at club. Something happens when he plays international ball.

    Still, I think his form/stamina makes him a great early sub in midfield after HT.


    -----sargent---morris
    -----------yueil
    -----pom--------roldan
    ------------trapp-------
    --ream--long--miles--lima
    -------------gk:guzan

    subs: Lletgegt for pom, dest for lima, boyd for morris, zardes for sargent
     
  21. Lance90

    Lance90 Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    How does Will Crapp stack up per that criteria? Yueill is more athletic, bigger and better skills than Crapp. Plus, he’s younger, so a lot more interesting at international level than Crapp. More likely that Yueill would actually mark somebody too.
     
  22. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jesus we're without several of the best players who were part of the team that got eviscerated against Mexico? So we'll lose terribly and look even more lost and incompetent doing it than we did on Friday. Worst part is I'm going to watch this goddamn game because of some deeply misguided sense of loyalty.
     
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  23. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Sure, play him over Trapp.

    But that doesn’t make him interesting at the international level.
     
  24. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Campania
    Anyone have the full Uruguay roster?
     
  25. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uruguay won't go all out. We could get a pity draw.
     

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