Unofficial European ideal teams 1971-1980

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  1. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
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    On the internet and in the modern media various 'ideal teams of the year' exist. Most prominent are the 'Onze Mondial' teams and ESM team of the year.

    http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/onze-awards.html

    http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/esm-xi.html


    In the newspaper databases I found that one certain vote across Europe in the 70s was cited by a number of publications. In Italy, Spain and the Netherlands, among others. Often it was the only one published or one of the two (even ahead of the Onze Mondial team). Example:
    http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1972/01/01/pagina-9/975653/pdf.html?search=sport best

    However, it seems that it lost prominence after 1980, with less and less citing it (at 1980 publications like Mundo Deportivo, ABC etc. were still using it).

    It is a vote by a Yugoslavian sport magazine called 'Sport'. They consulted in each year between 25 and 80 journalists/editors in Europe, in order to collect an 'Europe ideal team'.
    Without claiming it is flawless (quite some Yugoslavian names slip through, esp. when there is no clear winner), this were the outcomes between 1971 and 1980. Hopefully it is seen as a good addition.

    As said, it seems that it lost relevance after 1980.
     
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  2. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
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    Some others I found in a very fragmentary way:

    Former English football magazine "Goal" in 1970 & 1971 (mostly composed by English journalists though).

    1970 team of the year:
    Banks; Vogts, Moore, Israel, Facchetti; Bremner, Beckenbauer, Seeler; Johnstone, Müller, Riva

    1971 team of the year:
    Banks; Shesternev, Beckenbauer, Moore, Cooper; Netzer, Mazzola; Bene, Müller, Cruijff, Best


    An East-German magazine called "Neue Fussball-Woche" also asked 20 European football magazines at the end of 1972.
    [number of votes in parentheses, maximum was 20]

    1972:
    Rudakow (USSR; 6 votes); Dzodzuashvili (USSR; 3 votes), Beckenbauer (West-Germany; 14 votes), Moore (England; 10 votes), Breitner (West-Germany; 14 votes); Neeskens (Netherlands; 4 votes), Netzer (West-Germany; 18 votes), Deyna (West-Germany; 6 votes); Cruijff (Netherlands; 12 votes), Müller (West-Germany; 19 votes), Dzajic (Yugoslavia; 6 votes)


    1978 AS (Madrid sportspaper) ideal team:
    Fillol; Krol, Tresor, Passarella, Cabrini; Stielike, Gemmill, Hansi Müller; Rossi, Kempes, Rensenbrink

    This is different from the 1978 World Cup team (which was vote among a number of South American and European journalists - seems to have been published in a few more as well):
    Hellström; Gentile, Krol, Chumpitaz, Bossis; Ardiles, Benetti, Prohaska; Munante, Krankl, Six
     
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  3. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

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    Deyna has to be Poland of course ! :eek:

    For the rest no mistakes.
     
  4. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Bolzplatz
    Very interesting!

    A "technical" remark:

    I suppose in 1971 and 1973 the lineups are according to shirt numbers 1-11, not 4-2-4, 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 like in the others years.

    If done according to 4-2-4 (1971) resp. 4-3-3 (1973) they would look like:

    Sport magazine 1971:
    Banks - Vogts, Shesternev, Moore, Facchetti - Beckenbauer, Mazzola - Best, Müller, Cruijff, Dzajic

    Sport magazine 1973:
    Zoff - Krivokuca, Hulshoff, Beckenbauer, Facchetti - Deyna, Bremner, Netzer - Cruijff, Müller, Riva

    Do you plan a statistical overview? Players with most appearances and based on that, a "super" team of 1971-1980?
     
  5. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
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    Feyenoord
    Yes, I think those years (esp. 1971 & 1973 too perhaps) were done according to shirt numbers. E.g. George Best with #7 in 1971 (even though he used other shirt numbers too), Müller #9.

    Edit:

    1973 was not published like above:
    Sport magazine 1973:
    Zoff; Krivokuca, Facchetti, Hulshoff, Beckenbauer; Deyna, Bremner, Netzer; Müller, Cruijff, Riva

    But like:
    Sport magazine 1973:
    Zoff; Krivokuca, Facchetti, Hulshoff, Beckenbauer; Bremner, Deyna, Netzer; Müller, Cruijff, Riva


    So with Bremner and Deyna swapped and then it seems indeed it was according to 'fictional' shirt numbers. It is published like that in Dutch, Italian and Spanish databases.


    & as 'new' addition, the magazine "Goal" had in 1973:

    Zoff; Krivokuca, Khurtsilava, Beckenbauer, Facchetti, Bremner, Deyna, Rivera, Bene, Müller, Cruijff

    http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1974/01/12/pagina-4/996035/pdf.html?search=hulshoff
     
  6. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
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    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    These are the consensus choices between the (European based) teams you've posted:

    1971:Banks, Beckenbauer,Moore , Shesternev; Best, Mazzola; Müller, Cruijff
    1972:Beckenbauer, Moore, Breitner; Deyna, Netzer; Cruijff, Müller, Dzajic
    1973: Zoff; Krivokuca, Facchetti, Beckenbauer; Deyna, Bremner; Müller, Cruijff,
    1976: Vogts, Beckenbauer, Krol, Rensenbrink
    1977: Clemence, Vogts, Tresor, Platini, Bonhof, Cruijff; Simonsen, Rensenbrink
    1978: Hellström; Gentile, Krol, Cabrini, Haan, Krankl, Rensenbrink
    1979: Krol, Keegan
    1980:Kaltz, Krol, Rummenigge, Hrubesch, Ceulemans

    What a joke it is that CAT is often rated higher as Krol on A-T lists.
     
  7. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
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    Feyenoord
    Who do you mean with 'CAT'?

    Edit: Carlos Alberto Torres probably

    Anyway, regarding the top tier of legends these consensus choices overlap with what has been discussed before. E.g.
    - Difficulty of rating Platini in 1970s. Mostly based on performances with NT
    - Difficulty of rating Cruijff between 1974 and 1976, esp problematic 1975-76 'Weisweiler' season which saw also Spanish press divided (one still having him in top four, other outside top 20).

    That is a good addition of you.
     
  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Appearances of that Sports poll (and yes, I've checked it, they consulted a large number of journalists each year).

    Most appearances 1971-1980:

    Cruijff – 7
    Beckenbauer – 6
    Krol – 5
    G. Müller – 4
    Platini – 4
    Vogts – 4
    Breitner – 3
    Cabrini – 3
    Kaltz – 3
    Rensenbrink – 3
    Banks – 2
    Bonhof – 2
    Bremner – 2
    Deyna – 2
    Dzajic – 2
    Facchetti – 2
    Katalinski – 2
    Keegan – 2
    Lato – 2
    Moore – 2
    Neeskens – 2
    Netzer – 2
    Oblak – 2
    Pantelic – 2
    Rummenigge – 2
    Suurbier – 2
    Tresor – 2
    Zoff – 2
    Antognoni – 1
    Best – 1
    Blokhin – 1
    Camacho – 1
    Causio – 1
    Ceulemans – 1
    Clemence – 1
    Collovatti – 1
    Edström – 1
    Fischer – 1
    Gadocha – 1
    Gentile – 1
    Haan – 1
    Hellström – 1
    Hulshoff – 1
    Hrubesch – 1
    Krankl – 1
    Krivokuca – 1
    Mazzola – 1
    D. Müller – 1
    Ondrus – 1
    Pezzey – 1
    Riva – 1
    Rossi – 1
    Schuster – 1
    Shesternev – 1
    Simonsen – 1
    Susic – 1
    Tomaszewski – 1
    Van Moer – 1
    Viktor – 1
    Woodcock – 1


    Based on that (not saying it is flawless) and depending on formation sure starters in a 70s all star team would be:
    Beckenbauer, Cruijff, Müller, Platini, Krol, Vogts.

    Rensenbrink as left-winger and Bremner possibly as defensive midfielder (esp. when Cruijff is moved to right-wing because no right-winger stands out, which creates space for an extra midfielder). Breitner has a claim too.

    Left-back position looks unusually strong with Krol, Kaltz and Cabrini (though they also played elsewhere).
     
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  9. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

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    Yes.
    Wasn't he primarly a right-back?
     
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  10. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

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    Worth mentioning (in case it wasn't noticed) is that the Onze team is a readers poll, the 'Sport' one a vote among European journalists and the 'Goal' one a view of (almost exclusively) English journalists. In that way it captures consensus between French readers and a defined pool of journalists.
     
  11. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    What about this as 70s all star team (based on this vote)?

    Zoff; Kaltz, Vogts, Beckenbauer, Krol; Deyna, Platini, Breitner; Cruijff, G. Müller, Rensenbrink

    Vogts on center-back but he could play there, and there is no stopper who stands out. Perhaps because it is not an fancied position?

    Kaltz is the right-back who stands out (next to Vogts). Rensenbrink the left-winger who stands out (ahead of Dzajic) although for Anderlecht his role was different - more centrally either as wing-forward, midfielder or center forward.
    There is no right-winger who stands out. Possibly Rummenigge but I put Cruijff here then. Personally I would maybe put Simonsen over there.

    Midfield has a variety of options (next to Platini).
    - Breitner
    - Deyna
    - Netzer
    - Keegan
    - Oblak
    - Bremner (for more balance)
    - Neeskens (for more balance)
    - Bonhof (for more balance)

    Included Deyna because of 1974WC (best midfield performance of al 1970s World Cups) and positions in other votes. Also good 1978WC.

    Difficult call, competition in midfield is heavy, as in most decades.
     
  12. tony-soprano37

    Dec 5, 2008
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    i think a 70's team doesn't need wingers. they can play with kaltz as right back and krol as leftback. those 2 players where very good at coming up like wingers.
    also i think 70's formation should play kinda total football style because they have the players available to do so.
    many good player in the 70's hwo could play very good on multiple positions.

    also do we only take european players or also playrs like figeuroa and passarella and zico.

    my 70's formation if only european players allowed would be :
    3-2-3-1-1 formation
    goalkeeper dino zoff (he edges out van beveren)
    leftback ruud krol
    rightback manfred kaltz
    central defender gaetano scirea
    left DM (also box to box) paul breitner
    right DM (also box to box) johan neeskens
    left attacking midfield rob rensenbrink
    right attacking midfield kazimier deyna
    central attacking midfielder/playmaker gunther netzer
    free roll johan cruyff
    striker gerd muller

    if south americans where included it would look like this.
    3-1-3-3
    goalkeeper dino zoff
    leftback ruud krol
    rightback danny mcgrain
    central defender elias figeuroa
    DM beckenbauer
    left midfield roberto rivelino
    right midfield johan neeskens
    playmaker zico
    leftwinger : dragan dzajic
    rightwinger : gregorz lato
    striker ; johan cruyff
     
  13. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    I guess the first Kaltz nomination was as a sweeper (he played that role until WC '78)


    btw, as a SA fan, is interesting that an ATG as Scirea receives no single vote (it seems his prime was in 80s)
     
  14. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
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    I know, it looks quite decent though for the years I looked at.
    Later on it seems that there's fanboyism for French players. Lama and Barthez with a combined total of 8 selections. :rolleyes:
     
  15. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

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    He also played as side-back in those years. For sure.

    Might be a result of exposure (and peak as you said). Just looking at the ones who had two and more aps:

    Cruijff – 7 (Dutch & Spanish league)
    Beckenbauer – 6 (German league)
    Krol – 5 (Dutch league & second half of 1980 in Italy)
    G. Müller – 4 (German league)
    Platini – 4 (French league)
    Vogts – 4 (German league)
    Breitner – 3 (German league - not listed during Spanish years)
    Cabrini – 3 (Italian league)
    Kaltz – 3 (German league)
    Rensenbrink – 3 (Belgian league)
    Banks – 2 (English league)
    Bonhof – 2 (German league - not listed abroad, Spain)
    Bremner – 2 (English league)
    Deyna – 2 (Polish league)
    Dzajic – 2 (Yugoslavian league)
    Facchetti – 2 (Italian league)
    Katalinski – 2 (Yugoslavian)
    Keegan – 2 (German league, not listed at English league years)
    Lato – 2 (Polish)
    Moore – 2 (English)
    Neeskens – 2 (Spanish league & first half of 1974 in Dutch league)
    Netzer – 2 (German league - not listed abroad, Spain)
    Oblak – 2 (Yugoslavian & German league)
    Pantelic – 2 (Yugoslavian)
    Rummenigge – 2 (German)
    Suurbier – 2 (Dutch)
    Tresor – 2 (French)
    Zoff – 2 (Italian)

    Players playing in Serie A listed two times or more: Zoff, Cabrini, Fachetti.

    The 'Super Onze d'Or' on rsssf page is also funny at the very least.
     
  16. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Bolzplatz

    Kaltz was nominally and by heart a right-sided full back (or wing back). The problem Kaltz faced was that for the German national team, Berti Vogts was the right back and there was no way of Kaltz to get into the team because of that.

    This changed in 1977. Beckenbauer had announced that he would leave Germany in May and move to the US to play in the NASL. The German FA made it clear that they would didn't think it was feasible for Beckenbauer to continue playing for the German NT. Hence Beckenbauer was not called up any more the moment it became public (thus his last game for Germany came in January 1977, although he was still playing in Germany up until May, he was not used in any of the international games in spring 1977).

    In 1977, Hamburg signed Yugoslav international Ivan Buljan which allowed Hamburg to move Kaltz permanently from right back to the sweeper position (which had been a problematic position for Hamburg ever since Willi Schulz retired in 1973; for example the famous Horst Blankenburg who was signed by Hamburg in 1975 didn't live up to expectations).

    Kaltz had been tested as sweeper in spring 1977 by Hamburg and apparently did quite well in that new role (he was rated "world class" for the first time by 'kicker' in the summer of the 1977 as a sweeper, based mostly on his performances in 1977 tour of West Germany in South America, for Hamburg he had only acted as a sweeper sporadically up to that time).

    Helmut Schön decided to keep him has a replacement for Beckenbauer internationally (a different option would have been Klaus Fichtel but Schön shied away as Fichtel played a role in the 1971 Bundesliga scandal). Kaltz was of course delighted by these developments as suddenly he had a strong chance to establish himself in the German NT instead of having to wait until Berti Vogts retired.

    So from 1977 up to the 1978 World Cup, Kaltz played as sweeper both for club and for country. However people were disappointed with his performances in 1978 (and if you watch some games from that year one notices how Kaltz often tends to drift to the right side like he used to before he became a sweeper, its obvious he felt more at home there).

    The "Kaltz as sweeper" experiment was abandoned by Hamburg and Germany in 1978 for good (Hamburg had already switched Kaltz to the right back position during the 1977-78 season in various games with Peter Nogly acting as sweeper, since Kaltz didn't do as well as sweeper as it was hoped after the good experiences they had in 1977).
     
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  17. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
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    I looked at where Camacho played in 1977 and it seems it was as left back primarily. So maybe Kaltz was indeed picked as a sweeper.

    This means that between 1971-1976 Beckenbauer was the default pick of the journalists, then Kaltz in 1977 (as 'interregnum') and between 1978-1980 Krol is apparently seen by this pool of journalists as the best - or most prominent - sweeper/libero of Europe.
     
  18. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    What about Tresor in 1977 and 1978 ?
     
  19. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Bolzplatz
    We'll probably never know what position was assigned to Kaltz in the 1977 team, one thing is for sure thought, it can't have been left back.

    Perhaps a possibility is:

    Kaltz (right back), Vogts (stopper), Trésor (sweeper), Camacho (left back)

    Would make more sense than a partnership of Kaltz and Trésor in central defense (both sweepers) or Kaltz as left back and Camacho as stopper (as the original lineup suggests).
     
  20. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Didn't he also excel as stopper? A profile I read said something like: "Excelled both against a man and as free defender alike."

    Either way, I was able to look at how the 1977 team was presented. It was by the original magazine presented as (as verified by cross checking various sources):

    Clemence; Vogts, Tresor, Kaltz, Camacho; Bonhof, Platini, Cruijff; Simonsen, Fischer, Rensenbrink

    That is how the original one presented it.

    Another thing is that Woodcock's selection in the 1979 team is strangely not listed as forward but as midfielder. That 1979 line-up is correct.





    After reviewing everything this are the changes:

    1971: correct - probably according to shirt numbers

    1972: correct

    1973: probably according to 'fictional' shirt numbers
    Zoff; Krivokuca, Facchetti, Hulshoff, Beckenbauer; Bremner, Deyna, Netzer; G. Müller, Cruijff, Riva
    [Bremner and Deyna swapped]

    1974: probably according to 'fictional' shirt numbers
    Tomaszewski; Suurbier, Breitner, Bremner, Katalinski, Beckenbauer, Lato, Neeskens, G. Müller, Cruijff, Gadocha
    [shirt numbers]

    1975: according to 4-2-4
    Zoff; Vogts, Beckenbauer, Katalinski, Krol; Oblak, Neeskens; Blokhin, Cruijff, Edström, Lato
    [switched to 4-2-4]

    1976:
    Viktor; Vogts, Beckenbauer, Ondrus, Krol, Bonhof, Oblak, Causio, D. Müller, Cruijff, Rensenbrink
    [Causio was a right-winger I think, though dbscalcio has him down as right midfielder, but this is how they listed it..]

    1977:
    Clemence; Vogts, Tresor, Kaltz, Camacho; Bonhof, Platini, Cruijff; Simonsen, Fischer, Rensenbrink

    1978: correct

    1979: correct

    1980: correct



    Hope this takes away confusion about their exact position in the 'ideal team', as originally presented
     
  21. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    That's right. He was a formidable athlete, feared for his fierce tackling and man-marking ability. I read somewhere that Beckenbauer said he was the most intimidating player of his era, strictly defensively speaking (he was close to join Bayern in 1979 but OM refused to leave him. He didn't want to play for Marseille after that incident and he finally joined Bordeaux in 1980). He was not a classic libero for sure. The best way to descibe him is to say he was a kind of mix between Desailly and Blanc.
     
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  22. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    I also read that Tresor excelled at both, stopper & sweeper role. So the partnership Tresor-Kaltz as CB seems ok.

    In the cattenacio, the RW used to played deeper, like a false winger, leaving upfront a de-facto twin spearhead (nominally CF+LW) the striker and a SS. So, that was the case for Causio (RW/RM)
     
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  23. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Youtube has at the moment some very good Rudi Krol videos. A while ago I did a search too but they had nothing. Now they have.

    A goal at his last season for Ajax (when they also reached the semi-final of the European Cup btw):


    Compilation of a friendly against Brazil in 1979. They lost with 5:0 but it was played in Brazil and Brazil played with all their big guns (Zico, Junior, Falcao, Socrates, Edinho, Toninho, Cerezo, Socrates).

    Doesn't look too bad.

    Overall profile of him with many images


    Video showing his first Napoli season in particular (1980/1981), one of the first major stars to arrive in Italy.

    It was 'Guerin Sportivo' their footballer of the season in 1980/1981.


    Also looked for Tresor by the way (because don't like to make a one-sided fanpost) but couldn't find anything.

    As compensation, a compilation of Beckenbauer in a game where Germany came 3:0 down at home, before they made two late conciliation goals.


    [Both this one and the Rudi Krol one vs Brazil have cut away their part in the goals by the opposition]
     
  24. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Most appearances 1971-1980:

    Cruijff – 7
    Beckenbauer – 6
    Krol – 5
    G. Müller – 4
    Platini – 4
    Vogts – 4
    Breitner – 3
    Cabrini – 3
    Kaltz – 3
    Rensenbrink – 3
    Banks – 2
    Bonhof – 2
    Bremner – 2
    Deyna – 2
    Dzajic – 2
    Facchetti – 2
    Katalinski – 2
    Keegan – 2
    Lato – 2
    Moore – 2
    Neeskens – 2
    Netzer – 2
    Oblak – 2
    Pantelic – 2
    Rummenigge – 2
    Suurbier – 2
    Tresor – 2
    Zoff – 2
    Antognoni – 1
    Best – 1
    Blokhin – 1
    Camacho – 1
    Causio – 1
    Ceulemans – 1
    Clemence – 1
    Collovatti – 1
    Edström – 1
    Fischer – 1
    Gadocha – 1
    Gentile – 1
    Haan – 1
    Hellström – 1
    Hulshoff – 1
    Hrubesch – 1
    Krankl – 1
    Krivokuca – 1
    Mazzola – 1
    D. Müller – 1
    Ondrus – 1
    Pezzey – 1
    Riva – 1
    Rossi – 1
    Schuster – 1
    Shesternev – 1
    Simonsen – 1
    Susic – 1
    Tomaszewski – 1
    Van Moer – 1
    Viktor – 1
    Woodcock – 1


    Most consecutive appearances:

    Cruijff – 7
    Beckenbauer – 6
    G. Müller – 4
    Platini – 4
    Cabrini - 3
    Krol – 3
    Rensenbrink – 3
    Vogts – 3
    Banks – 2
    Bonhof -2
    Bremner – 2
    Deyna – 2
    Dzajic – 2
    Katalinski - 2
    Kaltz – 2
    Keegan – 2
    Lato – 2
    Moore – 2
    Neeskens – 2
    Netzer – 2
    Oblak – 2
    Pantelic – 2
    Rummenigge – 2
    Tresor – 2


    Most years between first and last selection:

    Breitner - 8
    Cruijff – 7
    Vogts - 7
    Beckenbauer – 6
    Krol – 6
    G. Müller – 4
    Kaltz – 4
    Platini - 4
    Cabrini – 3
    Facchetti - 3
    Rensenbrink – 3
    Suurbier – 3
    Zoff - 3
    Banks – 2
    Bonhof – 2
    Bremner – 2
    Deyna – 2
    Dzajic – 2
    Katalinski – 2
    Keegan – 2
    Lato – 2
    Moore – 2
    Neeskens – 2
    Netzer – 2
    Oblak – 2
    Pantelic – 2
    Rummenigge – 2
    Tresor - 2



    Leagues represented (two or more appearances):
    [means: in which leagues/leagues did the selected player play in a given year]

    German: Beckenbauer, Müller, Vogts, Breitner, Kaltz, Bonhof, Keegan, Netzer, Oblak, Rummenigge
    Dutch: Cruijff, Krol, Neeskens, Suurbier
    Italian: Zoff, Krol, Cabrini, Fachetti
    Yugoslavian: Dzajic, Katalinski, Oblak, Pantelic
    English: Banks, Bremner, Moore
    French: Platini, Tresor
    Polish: Deyna, Lato
    Spanish: Cruijff, Neeskens
    Belgian: Rensenbrink

    Note: players had also exposure to journalists at European club games & national team games, esp. tournaments.
     
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  25. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Another relevant analysis, I think:

    It would be strange if journalists pick players for an 'overall' European team if they aren't picked for an all-star team in their home country.

    We know the following ones:
    - For the English league the Rothmans and PFA team of the season
    - For Germany a kicker team of the season
    - For Spain a Don Balon and Mundo Deportivo team of the season (since 1975)

    Not aware for Italy.

    Of course, performances for national team and tournaments also count. And most of these above ignore form in European club competitions while 'foreign' journalists don't ignore that.


    Germany:

    Beckenbauer: looks fine
    G. Müller: not selected in 1971 (3 kicker team of the week selections) & 1974 (World Cup)
    Vogts: looks fine
    Breitner: not selected in 1973 (3 kicker team of the week selections) & 1979 (4 selections)
    Kaltz: looks fine
    Bonhof: not selected in 1976 (euro76; 5 team of the week selections)
    Keegan: looks fine
    Netzer: not selected in 1973 (2 team of the week selections)
    Oblak: not selected (euro76; 5 selections in 1976)
    Rummenigge: looks fine
    Fischer: not selected (3 team of the week selections in 1977 - was on fire for NT)
    Hrubesch: looks fine (euro80)
    D. Müller: not selected (euro76; 2 team of the week selections in 1976)
    Pezzey: not selected (4 team of the week selections in 1979)
    Schuster: not selected (euro80; 4 team of the week selections in 1980)
    Simonsen: looks fine

    England:

    Banks: looks fine
    Moore: looks fine
    Best: looks fine
    Bremner: looks fine (also 1974WC)
    Clemence: looks fine
    Woodcock: not selected (1979)

    Spain (since 1975-76 season):

    Cruijff: selected in all years (1975- 1978)
    Krankl: not ranked, scored ton of goals though and World Cup bonus.


    Hopefully I did not overlook a name. Feel free to add or correct...
     

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