Pre-match: United States v Jamaica Gold Cup Final 7/26

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  1. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    9:30 EST

    God it's fun to laugh at Mexico.
     
  2. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Congrats Reggae Boys. Looking for a good game against an athletic, fast team. Will present some problems.
     
  3. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well deserved by Jamaica. They outplayed Mexico in the second half. We definitely shouldn't take them lightly. They've got a lot of their A-team, play organized tough D and have speed on the counter.

    Glad for a chance to get some revenge for last Gold Cup.
     
  4. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    ----------Altidore---Dempsey----------
    Nagbe---Bradley---Acosta---Arriola
    Villafana--Besler--Gonzalez--Zusi
    ------------------Howard------------------

    Dempsey starts and Morris switches to the supersub role. The only other likely personnel switch IMO is Zardes for either Arriola or Acosta (Acosta only if Bruce Arena wants to risk a Bradley-Nagbe pairing).
     
  5. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Extra day of rest and squad rotation should help us.
     
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  6. kickin365

    kickin365 Member+

    Mar 4, 2002
    Mattocks is going to run right at a Omar Zusi combo, and probably right by them. Not that there is a better solution.
     
  7. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We now need speed on the flanks. Arena's going to have to think hard about who he plays there. I know folks hate him, but it likely means Zardes gets the start.

    Also not sure about Acosta now. I see the Jamaicans straight up running him over.

    Nagbe a must with his ability to keep possession. Jamaica turned the ball over a ton, should be good for him in midfield.
     
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  8. LuckofLichaj

    LuckofLichaj Member+

    Mar 9, 2012
    Altidore-Dempsey
    Zardes-Nagbe-Bradley-Morris
    Morrow-Besler-Gonzalez-Lichaj
    Howard
     
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  9. Magikfute

    Magikfute Member

    Mar 9, 2001
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Congrats @Athlone. Now, please tell us the best way to beat you guys ;)
     
  10. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This. Speed scares me to death right now.
     
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  11. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Count me as disappointed we won't get a chance to rack up a W against Mexico. But I'll still be there Wednesday dead center to celebrate the likely championship.
     
  12. Jay510

    Jay510 Member+

    Apr 21, 2002
    Gadsden Purchase, AZ
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Field a team better than Mexico B side.
     
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  13. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't be surprised at all. I think rotation will be less than it was the last few games, but Zardes would make sense as he should be fresh given he only played 7 minutes on Wednesday.

    I'd also like more speed in the back...but I doubt we see Lichaj and Miazga over Zusi and Gonzalez. Those two have more experience and Arena's trust.
    I'd also like to see Nagbe as well, though I don't think I'd like to see him alone in CM with Bradley. I think that would leave us too exposed on the counter.
     
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  14. Alsatian Sensation

    Jun 8, 2017
    Lichaj for Zusi please
     
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  15. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If speed is the priority, Zusi has none of it.
     
  16. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Flashback to 2015:



    There was some bad luck for the US - Jamaica was lethal on the few great chances that it created, and the US had opportunity after opportunity in the first two-thirds of the match. But my iconic memory of the match is the last 15-20 minutes. Jamaica defended stoutly, but after some inept substitutions the US resorted to playing route one (against Jamaica!), and the US fizzled embarrassingly in the final minutes.
     
  17. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  18. Ruben Rivas

    Ruben Rivas Member

    Madrid
    United States
    Apr 1, 2017
    Miami
    Gonzo would be helpful since Jamaicans are not very skilled but very physical.
     
  19. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Please, Bruce, a whole new central midfield.

    Dax was such a relief to watch in his ten minutes against Costa Rica.

    Dax, Zardes, Bradley + V/fana and Zusi at wb.

    + 3 cb's so Gonzo or Hedgtes or Miazga, as the case may be, can get into the box for aerials and still have 2 cb's back.
     
  20. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well holy shite. Got up Greenwich mean time to find this thread started instead of the one I expected. I'd have rather played Mexico, whether their A-team, B-team, or Omega-team, just for the chance to write another chapter in that rivalry. But it sounds like Jamaica were deserving winners, so bring 'em on. This gives us the chance to get some revenge for what was after all the worst loss (IMO) in Gold Cup history for the MNT.

    I don't know much about Jamaica but by all accounts speed is one of their best assets, and I share the concern that we may struggle to deal with it. I've got enough faith in Arena that I'm sure he'll come up with a plausible plan to counter their advantage in terms of speed. Whether we'll execute well enough to win remains to be seen, but I'm cautiously optimistic. I also think Arena, unlike say Klinsy, will take the Reggae Boyz seriously and have a thoughtful plan to deal with them.

    Finally, for all this talk of speed, all Jamaica's goals in the 2015 and 2017 GC semis came from set pieces, including two direct from free kicks. In fact, I recollect that at least one and maybe both of their goals against us in the 2-1 loss in Kingston in 2012 came from FKs as well. Seems that's an under appreciated part of their game.
     
  21. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Roldan would have been a great option against a team like Jamaica.
     
  22. Athlone

    Athlone Member+

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    Eh I don't really know. Cant believe I'm saying that, but there's no easy answer. The defense is just rock solid, and Blake bails this team out constantly. We shut down Mexico without anything in the midfield today (the starter in the center, Kevon Lambert, was out on card suspension). The scary thing is we'd have been far more solid if he'd been there, and he'll be there Wednesday.

    I watched what the USMNT did to Costa Rica yesterday and that scared me a bit, but I get the feeling that Jamaica will be harder to break down than Costa Rica. The USMNT will also have a much tougher time dealing with Williams and Mattocks - they are fast as hell and they work VERY hard.

    If the USMNT plays up to its full potential, it'll be 1-0 for them. The USMNT attackers are the most talented I've seen in this tournament. But it can just as easily go the other way and/or end on penalties. This Jamaica team is just that frustrating.

    We'll just have to wait and see.
     
  23. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    What do you think of Barnes not being there?
     
  24. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Extra time after ninety for this one if tied, correct?
     
  25. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes
     

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