United States presidential election, 2008 [NSR]

Go figure!!!

 

Another one of your mind tricks? read the fine print that states that these numbers are nothing but PROJECTIONS. Besides, you seem to believe that the programs under Bush have been eliminated under Obama which is totally false. Obama has continued all of Bush's policies and has even increased the size of them. This is the reason why Obama has spent more money than all of the presidents combined in the history of the USA. Romney, Gingrich, Obama, Oh my, we are heading into the abyss and the flouridated public seems to love it.

 

His expenditures as % of the GDP has been the highest in the last 40 years but not the highest in history. Most of the budget allocations were fixed during the previous 8 years and the National debt and the current deficit have been exhacerbated by W's tax cuts and the economic crisis... Furthermore, cutting expenses and going back to the Gold Standard are NOT the things to do at this particular historic moment:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswe...cs-are-wrong-we-need-to-avert-depression.html

Friedman and Schwartz argued that the stock-market panic of 1929 turned into a depression because of avoidable errors by the Fed. Instead of easing monetary policy by cutting interest rates and buying bonds, the Fed tightened. The result was a catastrophic chain reaction of bank failures, which caused the money supply to contract by approximately a third, and economic output with it.

Eichengreen’s book tells the sorry story of the second half. First, the rules of the gold standard forced central banks to transmit the American shock around the world. Then an increasingly polarized political atmosphere made it impossible to reach agreements about the enormous war and reparations debts that weighed down European governments. Despite multiple international conferences, the global financial system collapsed. Countries recovered only when they abandoned the gold standard and focused on job creation. Unfortunately, the most effective way of doing this proved to be rearmament. The country that did this most successfully was Germany. You know what came next.

 

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/16/102-things-not-to-do/

So, you’re a Republican that hates taxes? Well, since you do not like taxes or government, please kindly do the following.
1. Do not use Medicare.
2. Do not use Social Security
3. Do not become a member of the US military, who are paid with tax dollars.
4. Do not ask the National Guard to help you after a disaster.
5. Do not call 911 when you get hurt.
6. Do not call the police to stop intruders in your home.
7. Do not summon the fire department to save your burning home.
8. Do not drive on any paved road, highway, and interstate or drive on any bridge.
9. Do not use public restrooms.
10. Do not send your kids to public schools.
11. Do not put your trash out for city garbage collectors.
12. Do not live in areas with clean air.
13. Do not drink clean water.
14. Do not visit National Parks.
15. Do not visit public museums, zoos, and monuments.
16. Do not eat or use FDA inspected food and medicines.
17. Do not bring your kids to public playgrounds.
18. Do not walk or run on sidewalks.
19. Do not use public recreational facilities such as basketball and tennis courts.
20. Do not seek shelter facilities or food in soup kitchens when you are homeless and hungry.
21. Do not apply for educational or job training assistance when you lose your job.
22. Do not apply for food stamps when you can’t feed your children.
23. Do not use the judiciary system for any reason.
24. Do not ask for an attorney when you are arrested and do not ask for one to be assigned to you by the court.
25. Do not apply for any Pell Grants.
26. Do not use cures that were discovered by labs using federal dollars.
27. Do not fly on federally regulated airplanes.
28. Do not use any product that can trace its development back to NASA.
29. Do not watch the weather provided by the National Weather Service.
30. Do not listen to severe weather warnings from the National Weather Service.
31. Do not listen to tsunami, hurricane, or earthquake alert systems.
32. Do not apply for federal housing.
33. Do not use the internet, which was developed by the military.
34. Do not swim in clean rivers.
35. Do not allow your child to eat school lunches or breakfasts.
36. Do not ask for FEMA assistance when everything you own gets wiped out by disaster.
37. Do not ask the military to defend your life and home in the event of a foreign invasion.
38. Do not use your cell phone or home telephone.
39. Do not buy firearms that wouldn’t have been developed without the support of the US Government and military. That includes most of them.
40. Do not eat USDA inspected produce and meat.
41. Do not apply for government grants to start your own business.
42. Do not apply to win a government contract.
43. Do not buy any vehicle that has been inspected by government safety agencies.
44. Do not buy any product that is protected from poisons, toxins, etc…by the Consumer Protection Agency.
45. Do not save your money in a bank that is FDIC insured.
46. Do not use Veterans benefits or military health care.
47. Do not use the G.I. Bill to go to college.
48. Do not apply for unemployment benefits.
49. Do not use any electricity from companies regulated by the Department of Energy.
50. Do not live in homes that are built to code.
51. Do not run for public office. Politicians are paid with taxpayer dollars.
52. Do not ask for help from the FBI, S.W.A.T, the bomb squad, Homeland Security, State troopers, etc…
53. Do not apply for any government job whatsoever as all state and federal employees are paid with tax dollars.
54. Do not use public libraries.
55. Do not use the US Postal Service.
56. Do not visit the National Archives.
57. Do not visit Presidential Libraries.
58. Do not use airports that are secured by the federal government.
59. Do not apply for loans from any bank that is FDIC insured.
60. Do not ask the government to help you clean up after a tornado.
61. Do not ask the Department of Agriculture to provide a subsidy to help you run your farm.
62. Do not take walks in National Forests.
63. Do not ask for taxpayer dollars for your oil company.
64. Do not ask the federal government to bail your company out during recessions.
65. Do not seek medical care from places that use federal dollars.
66. Do not use Medicaid.
67. Do not use WIC.
68. Do not use electricity generated by Hoover Dam.
69. Do not use electricity or any service provided by the Tennessee Valley Authority.
70. Do not ask the Army Corps of Engineers to rebuild levees when they break.
71. Do not let the Coast Guard save you from drowning when your boat capsizes at sea.
72. Do not ask the government to help evacuate you when all hell breaks loose in the country you are in.
73. Do not visit historic landmarks.
74. Do not visit fisheries.
75. Do not expect to see animals that are federally protected because of the Endangered Species List.
76. Do not expect plows to clear roads of snow and ice so your kids can go to school and so you can get to work.
77. Do not hunt or camp on federal land.
78. Do not work anywhere that has a safe workplace because of government regulations.
79. Do not use public transportation.
80. Do not drink water from public water fountains.
81. Do not whine when someone copies your work and sells it as their own. Government enforces copyright laws.
82. Do not expect to own your home, car, or boat. Government organizes and keeps all titles.
83. Do not expect convicted felons to remain off the streets.
84. Do not eat in restaurants that are regulated by food quality and safety standards.
85. Do not seek help from the US Embassy if you need assistance in a foreign nation.
86. Do not apply for a passport to travel outside of the United States.
87. Do not apply for a patent when you invent something.
88. Do not adopt a child through your local, state, or federal governments.
89.Do not use elevators that have been inspected by federal or state safety regulators.
90. Do not use any resource that was discovered by the USGS.
91. Do not ask for energy assistance from the government.
92. Do not move to any other developed nation, because the taxes are much higher.
93. Do not go to a beach that is kept clean by the state.
94. Do not use money printed by the US Treasury.
95. Do not complain when millions more illegal immigrants cross the border because there are no more border patrol agents.
96. Do not attend a state university.
97. Do not see any doctor that is licensed through the state.
98. Do not use any water from municipal water systems.
99. Do not complain when diseases and viruses, that were once fought around the globe by the US government and CDC, reach your house.
100. Do not work for any company that is required to pay its workers a livable wage, provide them sick days, vacation days, and benefits.
101. Do not expect to be able to vote on election days. Government provides voting booths, election day officials, and voting machines which are paid for with taxes.
102. Do not ride trains. The railroad was built with government financial assistance.

The fact is, we pay for the lifestyle we expect. Without taxes, our lifestyles would be totally different and much harder. America would be a third world country. The less we pay, the less we get in return. Americans pay less taxes today since 1958 and is ranked 32nd out of 34 of the top tax paying countries. Chile and Mexico are 33rd and 34th. The Republicans are lying when they say that we pay the highest taxes in the world and are only attacking taxes to reward corporations and the wealthy and to weaken our infrastructure and way of life. So next time you object to paying taxes or fight to abolish taxes for corporations and the wealthy, keep this quote in mind…

“I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization.” ~Oliver Wendell Holmes

 

Without taxes we would have prosperity and proof of that is how wealthy this country was before 1913 when the tax rate was 0%. America is becoming a third world country because of the over taxation that our criminal government has imposed on its citizens. I guess sales taxes and all of the other taxes that people pay do not count as as real taxes. The corporations and the top 1% do not pay income taxes because they know its a fraud and all of the income tax money goes to the banking cartel. Whoever wrote this article must be a shill for the big banks that want more taxes on the supposed rich when in reality they are targeting the middle class, the enemy of the New World Order.

 

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ohh dude i haven read this thread in a while, but is this guy NWO guy?

 

An image is worth a thousand words (plus taxes)... LOL

To NWO, get your facts straight. Taxes equal redistribution of income, equal growth of GDP...

 

What is so funny? is that your best attempts to counter my TRUTHFUL statements? everything I wrote is the truth or do you you think the truth is funny? Please tell me one item I wrote that is wrong or inaccurate and do not answer me with laughter because that just discredits you, not me. I await your response.

 

Thank you for proving me right and proving yourself wrong. Look at the biggest spikes in GDP, like in 1960 and in 1980 when tax cutting presidents John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan cutted taxes and government revenues went up. If you want I can show you main line economists that have written articles about the correlation between low taxes and prosperity. All I need to show you is the time period before 1913 when this country was the most prosperous, most wealthy, had the smartest people, the healthiest people, we were the envy of the world and after 50 years of globalist control we are the opposite in all those categories with a collapsing economy. You can not dispute facts, with a 0% tax rate this country was prosperous, with a higher tax rates and the banks leeching all the wealth from this country the USA is bankrupt. Redistribution of wealth does not equal growth or else communist and socialists countries would be successful and none of them have even comed close to matching the success of the United States of America before the bankers took over, you need to get your facts straight pal.

 

Truth as many other things in life are a matter of perspective only egocentric idiots think they are always right.

And yeah, i learned from fighting efer that discussions with fanatics are a useless effort.

 

I guess the most important thing you learned from Efer is to be a troll who has no useful arguments but to lobby insults when defeated intellectually. I am going to laugh when the goons from the criminal government take you to a FEMA and then you are going to wish you had listened to me. When you learn to live in reality and not in the fantasy world then get back to me.

 

Uhhhh, I am really impressed by your counter argument, keep going, you are really changing my mind, matter of fact I am going to turn in my guns, gold and storable food in to the loving government so you stop calling a conspiracy theorist. Please, do not call me a conspiracy theorist, it really hurts my feelings, coming from a troll like you is really bothering me lol. I do not care what u think about me pal so go ahead and make fun of me, we will see who laughs the best at the end. Your attempts at provoking me are failing, give up, its not going to work.

 

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hey maybe im from one of those weird sects just messing with your head braahhhh

 

So, Neo.. If you don't want to pay taxes, how do expect us to protect you or judge you or care for you when you're in need? If you don't like the benefits of taxation, please move to Sudan, where you can also wave your guns freely....

Great Article:

http://www.governmentisgood.com/articles.php?aid=17

Lakoff argues that we need to promote a very different view of taxes—one that uses a very different kind of metaphor. The metaphor he suggests is that of taxes as “dues”.

Taxes are our dues — we pay our dues to be Americans and enjoy the benefits of American society. Taxes are what we pay to live in a civilized society that is democratic, offers opportunity, and has a huge infrastructure available to all citizens. This incredible infrastructure has been paid for by previous taxpayers. Roads and highways, the Internet, the broadcast airwaves, our public education system, our power grid — every day we all use this vast infrastructure. Our dues maintain it.2

It is about being a member, a part of the community. People pay a membership fee to join a gym, the local YMCA, or a club for which they get to use the basketball courts, the swimming pool, and the golf course. They did not pay for these facilities with their own memberships. They were built and paid for by other members, and all the current members maintain them with their dues. It is the same thing with our country — being a member in good standing of a remarkable nation. Americans pay their dues.
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Inb4 Dapipis goons rush that dienwo foo lul...

Did he actually say no taxes? or just lower tax rates?

 

no taxes, apparently taxes cause poverty and all of that bad stuff, here i was thinking all that evasion we do in Colombia is hurting us, silly me.

 

I have never read so much garbish in my life. I do not have to pay dues to be part of the country I am the boss of. I am the boss of the government, the government is not the boss of me and I am the one that decides what dues I am supposed to pay. The federal government has NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO TAX ANYONE, that falls upon the states. The sixteenth amendment which created the income tax and the federal reserve was never ratified by the states which makes it illegal. You just became a United States citizen so you being uninformed of how things are supposed to run in this country does not surprise me. Read Article I, especially section 8 and then get back to me http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm#con1.8.1.1

IF YOU ARE READING THIS THEN YOU ARE THE RESISTANCE.

 

Yes, no taxes on individuals, which created the most prosperous nation in the history of humanity, I guess wanting prosperity makes me insane . Colombia is a narco government who oppresses their slaves and makes them live in incredible poverty which is crazy because Colombia has more resources than the United States. No wonder you love being a slave, you have been slaves for five hundred years, so the ideas of having your own property, controlling your government and having the means to defend yourself (weapons) must seem scary. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happines, as opposed to the narco government you live under that states death, slavery and the pursuit of running to the United States where there is freedom. You are really going to hate the USA when we restore the constitution and we become the greatest nation on earth again.

IF YOU ARE READING THIS THEN YOU ARE THE RESISTANCE.

 

No, dont put words in my mouth, I did say all taxation on individuals, that should always be 0% because I am not the slave of the state, the state is my slave and when we take our country back and restore the constitution NEW WORLD ORDER lovers like you will have to move somewhere else.

IF YOU ARE READING THIS THEN YOU ARE THE RESISTANCE.

 

Uranium for everyone.