UK General Election 2017

Discussion in 'Elections' started by The Biscuitman, Dec 11, 2014.

  1. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    BTW, while I think about it, that bit is factually incorrect.

    They do NOT seek 'self determination'. They want to retain the pound as a currency which, in the same way that adopting the euro means for eurozone countries, means you DON'T have complete self-determination because you're reliant on a central bank NOT in your own control.

    If they were honest, they'd want to have their own 'scottish pound' OR go into the eurozone. THAT, they don't want to do.

    In fact, one could almost say they want to, 'have their cake and eat it'.
     
  2. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
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    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
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    Does the DUP have enough to get them into a coalition? Can't see any of the others doing forming anything with the Tories after what they did to the Lib Dems.
     
  3. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
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    TSV 1860 München
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    Germany
    Hung parliament is their way of trying to tell us please dont let brexit be that hard and we of course cant let that happen.

    But yes for us coalitions are a good thing and the norm
     
  4. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    The whole basis of the EU is 'shared sovereignty' and sharing control among different political entities.
     
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  5. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Barely...but managing to achieve anything in government, (like a 'hard brexit', say), is a TOTALLY different matter.
     
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  6. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
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    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
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    #1031 crazypete13, Jun 9, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2017
    You're reading tea leaves. While a major election issue, it was far from the sole one. If nothing else it will throw a spanner in the Brexit talks timeline, methinks. May will likely have issues passing a budget, and forming a government, but whoever finally does will be in control negotiating Brexit.
     
  7. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Actually, FYI, brexit was rarely mentioned.

    It was domestic matters that played the biggest part, particularly the tories austerity policy whilst cutting taxes for the rich.
     
  8. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
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    TSV 1860 München
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    Germany
    The youth decided this vote coming out in droves for labour forcing this result. It has begun to shine though what brexit really means and in fear of further cuts to the social budgets they have come for this result so that whoever gets to negotiate might get a soft brexit. Proposed hard brexit is why May lost this election.

    Now since from an EU pov there can be no soft brexit or special deal this result is basically good for nothing. The only options are May and hard Brexit or another election with Labour winning and another referendum. Hence my comment dont think a hung parliament would change anything concerning the brexit talks.
     
  9. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    If they really felt like that they would have voted for the Lib Democrats the only party to really oppose Brexit.

    Corbyn was not very dedicated to the remain campaign.
     
  10. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
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    TSV 1860 München
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    Germany
    Yeah if the libdems werent pro business and pro cuts to the social budgets. And if the alternative is hard brexit then "not quite remain" is still to be prefered by those voters
     
  11. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    The voters have accepted Brexit, Corbyn if he had would won he would have negotiated a hard exit. That is not what motivated the young.

    The promises of more spending paid by Magic (the Sanders formula) is what motivated the young to vote for Labor, and the dislike of May and the Tories of course.
     
  12. jmartin1966

    jmartin1966 Member+

    Jun 13, 2004
    Chicago
    I don't think they'll require much explicitly. They'll take the de facto veto on Northern Ireland policy.
     
  13. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
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    Ooh that Corbyn is such a terrorist sympathiser.......oh

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

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  15. jmartin1966

    jmartin1966 Member+

    Jun 13, 2004
    Chicago
    disheartening that the DUP and SF have completely supplanted the moderate Northern Irish parties
     
  16. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    It's part of the good friday agreement that the westminster government has to remain neutral between the nationalists and loyalists.

    It'll probably just be some extra dosh for schools, hospitals, roads, etc. etc.
     
  17. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    It's what happens when nationalism replaces 'real' politics. When the only issue is whether someone is against somebody else, things usually go to shit... as the tory party in relation to the EU proves :(
     
  18. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
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    England
    I don't know where you get that from. He said the precise opposite... that he'd negotiate a deal that favoured jobs and growth rather than some arbitrary 'political' requirement the tories would insist on.
    It wasn't 'magic'... it was taxes raised on the top 5%, corporations and some borrowing for investment.
     
  19. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Don't start that shit again.
     
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  20. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    I still say the ball crossed the line in '66 :eek:

    :giggle:
     
  21. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
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    TSV 1860 München
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    Germany
    Post brexit regrets it is. That is why the election now. The more brexit uncertainty hits home hard, the more Tories have to lose. Another snap election and the incumbent government will lose even more

     
  22. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The talk now is that the tories will use the DUP in a similar way to the way they used the lib/dems, to chuck out those parts
    There's no question but that, as people have become more aware of what's involved they've moved to thinking they might change their mind if the same question was asked again

    But, of course there are dangers with that as well so I think, at this stage, another referendum isn't a good idea. Frankly, it's more likely to just piss people off so it's better we move to something like an EEA-style arrangement, maybe with some minor modifications.
     
  23. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
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    TSV 1860 München
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    Germany
    Our prayers for you guys getting such a thing

     
  24. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I suppose it would be churlish to point out we're mostly protestant. Well, the ones that even believe in god that is which isn't many, tbh.
     
  25. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    You would be catholic if it wasnt for a Thuringian pastor. Berlin also only has a 15% share of catholics.

    Anyways

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