UK General Election 2017

according to my math, the conservatives only need to hit 312 because of the Northern Ireland parties

 

Sinn Fein doesn't take their seats, so subtract 7 from the 650 (643) and divide by 2 for the majority (321.5 -> 322). 312 Conservative + 10 DUP would do it.

 

He's been around for years, and his manifesto actually has a couple of good things in it.

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/06/09/all-hail-lord-buckethead-our-new-king/

 

One of the biggest ironies in all of this is that the SNP have been saying for years that Scotland has repeatedly had a Conservative government enforced on it by English voters, yet if they had voted as they did in 2015 we would now likely have a Labour minority government, supported by the SNP.

 

Well Britain ya done goofed again. If May has her election "win" propped up in coalition by the terrorists at the DUP ya might reopen some good ole fashioned fighting in Belfast. Lord knows what those zealots are going to ask for.

 

German government spokeswoman says it will not comment on the outcome of the General Election out of respect and politeness

— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) June 9, 2017

 

What might DUP require to be part of the coalition?

 

I've been thinking about that a lot over the past week or so as it's looked like we'd do better than expected. But also as I've been out knocking on doors in my local constituency, canvassing for labour... I've probably spoken to some 2-300 people over the pasts 6 weeks.

As a matter of interest we reckon we've spoken to approximately 10,000 people, directly calling on people in their homes. That takes bodies and that's exactly what the tories didn't have.

Anyway, initially the assumption must be that it damaged him but the thing is, talking to people it was possible to portray him as against the status quo and TPTB. If they'd been there standing behind him, (even at a distance), that message would have been harder to sell.

So I suspect it's been something of a mixture of the two.

Yes, he was largely abandoned by his own party BUT, frankly, bearing in mind how they're viewed by many on the left, (of being 'tory-lite' and of favouring austerity to solve the economic issues we still have), was that much of a hindrance?

Hmm... that's a more difficult question to answer.

 

As an old labour fella, that whole SNP 'thing' is something I find most strange.

Put simply, when did nationalism become a good thing? Did I miss a meeting?

I mean, I can't even stand MY nationalists like the tory right-wing, BNP, EDL or whatever. Why the feck would any left-winger think nationalism is a 'good thing'.

 

Her gamble did not pay off, but it seems the coalition government is set.

Talk about claiming trophies for participation, how very liberal, both improved but still fell short.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-40219030

 

They would only have 2 spare votes in any legislation they pass, with out Sinn Fein, they have a few more votes to spare, but DUP is going to demand a lot for their support.

Corbyn reminds me a lot of Bernie Sanders, reality has no place in their minds. He won less seats, he does not want to enter into a coalition, but he thinks he should govern. lol.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-40219030

 

I think you're confusing nationalism with nationalism.

The SNP is hardly nationalist in the Nazi, Trump, or BNP definition. They seek self-determination; they want to make up their own minds about how their country is run, not have it mandated on them by the votes of people on the outside. But you knew that.

Anyway, thank you for your service to your nation.

 

Also, Bernie would have won.

 

Like the EU and us, y'mean...

 

Ah, now that I DO agree with

 

So what is the difference again?

Nationalism when not independent (say Texas or California) is good?

But Nationalism when Independent (say Cuba) is bad?

 

You just need to look at the SNP's reaction to the 2010 election result to see the way they think...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/scotland/8668114.stm

Mr Salmond said there could be a "variety of combinations", other than a Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition, where the SNP and Plaid Cymru could prove to be "necessary".

Speaking earlier to Jeremy Paxman on BBC One, the SNP leader said: "Fate seems to have dealt us a mighty hand, between ourselves and Plaid Cymru.

"As I understand it, on the projections we have at the present moment, certainly there would have to be some involvement of the SNP and Plaid Cymru if you were to get and construct an alternative government scenario.​

His first thought was, how much money can we screw out of the English tax-payers, some of whom are poor, elderly and need help. He didn't give a shit.

Like I say, to a large extent they're nationalist, pure and simple.